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Dilemma(18 posts)

May 16, 2002 8:29 AM
Someone has asked to brorrow my bike for a charity ride.

Clearly, I endorse the sentiment, and would like to help out. On the other hand, well, it's my bike.

What to do?

You need another bike, clearly.floatch
May 16, 2002 8:33 AM
This seems like as good an excuse as any to go buy a new bike!
Already havemuncher
May 16, 2002 8:43 AM
three more. It's not that I will be wihtout a bike if I lend one out, it's just that I don't know this chap very well, it's a very nice bike (I can't really say "if you scratch it riding for charity you pay $X for a re-spray etc), and well, you know - at the and of the day - it's my bike, with all that entails...
Go with the gut...jrm
May 16, 2002 3:18 PM
And dont lend it out?
Feeling charitable or not?grzy
May 16, 2002 8:55 AM
It really isn't a dilema. A dilema is defined as a situation that requires one to choose between two equally ballanced alternatives. The only way this is possible is if you value possesion of an inanimate object as much as helping human beings in need. Everyone says they support charity, but when time comes to put up something they value, then it's a different story. Figure out if you're really charitable or not. Possibly a way out would be to make a contribution in another way (i.e. cash or time). On the other hand it's just a damn bike and everything can be fixed or replaced. If they crash they crash - at least they should take responsibility for any damage.
May 16, 2002 9:05 AM
I like to think that I am fairly C - I give money and time to various causes - I'm no saint, but do a little more than most, and lot more than some. Time is probably my most valuable giveable commodity, and I do give it.

This is a dilamma - I'm currently equally balanced between lending and not lending.

The guy that want to use it can't afford to pay for serious damage to a nice bike (and isn't insured), and I wouldn't want to take the money from the charity of course. On the other hand, I don't want to give a bike maker/fixer $3K or whatever to fix it if he bends is, as they are not charities, and neither am I. And of course, I suspect most of us here know the feeling of not wanting other people fooling around on our pride and joy(s). The guy is not a serious cyclist, and that makes me a little uneasy too.

On the other hand of course, one doesn't like saying no to this sort of request.

Just thought I'd get some views....
How about loaning outgrandemamou
May 16, 2002 9:22 AM
one of your other bikes. Unless of course they all cost 3k then you still have the same problem. My rule of thumb for loaning bikes/money to family and friends is: Can I liveand or afford to do without it if I never get it back?
May 16, 2002 9:29 AM
If not having others fool around on your steed is more valuable than $15, just pay this guy $20 to rent an entry level bike at a bike shop (suppose you have an effective tax rate of 25%).
Doesn't seem entirely fair.djg
May 16, 2002 10:53 AM
"The only way this is possible is if you value possesion of an inanimate object as much as helping human beings in need."

So, if you don't sell your house every time a good cause comes along (basically, every minute of every day if you look around), then you value possession of inanimate objects over helping people in need? I guess, at some level, I do--I mean, I've still got the house (or at least the equity, which is non-zero in my case).

I'm actually signed up for one of the AIDS Rides this year. Many folks have been generous with sponsorship; many--including well-salaried folks--have given small amounts; and many--including well-salaried folks--have given nothing. I don't jump to the conclusion that small or nil gifts indicate a lack of charity. People make different commitments to different causes at different times and they're not obligated to share all the particulars with me so that I may judge them.

I have two road bikes. One I view as the prime velo, the other as a commuter. Now, the commuter is a fairly nice road bike, if not the latest and greatest. If a friend needed to borrow it for the AIDS Ride (or another ride)--say, his or her ride was wrecked or stolen just days before the ride--I'b be glad to lend it. But a casual acquaintance with little riding experience? I'd be hesitant too. I'd rather pay to have the person rent something or make some other contribution. Now perhaps I, too, don't pass muster when it comes to generosity. I don't know your standards (and you don't know mine). But different people get a little finicky about different things and it's not always a sign of a wholesale unwillingness to help.
Do itjtolleson
May 16, 2002 9:01 AM
Boils down to personal style, preference, values. But I'd do it in a heart beat; not even a close call.
re: Dilemmaallezrider
May 16, 2002 9:55 AM
I would have to agree with renting a bike from a local bike shop. Hopefully this friend understands that the bikes you own aren't some wal-mart special. I feel that if you help him find a bike to rent then, that would be helping the situation out. I wouldn't lend my bike out to a friend and my friends know that. This is too expensive of a machine to take a chance of it being damaged. Don't get me wrong I think charity is great and I try to do my share, but I have to draw the line somewhere.
Not mine...biknben
May 16, 2002 10:13 AM
After reading some of your responses I'd decline. This guy is someone you'd don't know well and isn't that serious a cyclist? Sorry, but I'm not loaning my primary ride. If your other bikes aren't as dear to you, I'd offer those. If that didn't work, I'd look into renting a bike for him.

Would you throw the key of your rare sports car to just anybody needing a ride? I'm currently down to 2 bikes. One road and one MTB. In the past, I kept an old bike or two (sweet bikes in the eyes of a non-cyclist) and wouldn't bat an eye loaning THOSE.

My $.02
re: DilemmaJekyll
May 16, 2002 10:26 AM
Just help him rent a bike - then you've done your part and if anything happens its the shop's problem. Tell him you are so proud of his charity efforts that you'll cover the $15 rental and promise to provide pointers, etc toward purchasing a bike if he decides he wants to keep riding. If he asks about your bike give him some fit, etc BS as an excuse.
I would not "lend" my bike to someone I don't know very well and who may or may not have anything resembling good bike skills.
I have let other people (riders I ride with on a regular basis) ride my bikes. I would no sooner toss my bike to someone I did not know very well or have any clue as to their cycling skills then I would my Bimmer keys.
This is not like lending someone a $20 DVD or CD (which you then get back scratched, etc). This is like parting with one of my children, I would not do it lightly.
Would you let someone borrow your underwear?greg n
May 16, 2002 10:38 AM
To me, my bike is that personal.

People who aren't avid riders or aren't as passionate about bikes and riding as we are here on this forum probably can't conceive this. To your average Joe, borrowing your bike is like borrowing your hedge trimmers. To them it's just a piece of equipment.

I agree will everyone else. Help this person rent a bike from a respectable shop. That way he can establish a relationship when the time comes to get his/her own bike.
re: Dilemmagtx
May 16, 2002 10:42 AM
I have four quality bikes. Two of them I gladly loan to friends, as for the other two--there's no way in hell anyone is riding or even touching them except me.
ANother execellent reason for...SnowBlind
May 16, 2002 11:59 AM
A custom bike!
Yes that right, now you can say:
"Gee I'd love to lend you the bike, but, you know, it IS custom, and it would not fit you, and you would be more misrable than if you rode on that rusted out Huffy over there..."

Really, I'd give a kidney to my riding partner if he needed it, and I am sure he would do the same. But I damn sure would'nt lend him my Inglis, nor would he lend me his Seven. He can use the Bianchi, dammit.
Thanks for your thoughtsmuncher
May 17, 2002 12:43 AM
Seems to be a clear consensus there. Actually I don't know of anywhere that rents bikes around here, but I'll see if I can find one/someone else that will lend him one.

On the bikes point - I would lend two of the other 4, but one is my ss commuter (which would probably kill him) and the other is a MTB that is big, really heavy, and had huge knobblies on (ditto - it's a road ride). The Coppi and the tricked-up Jake are just not on the cards.

Good ideas though - thanks.
MTB suggestionsimstress
May 17, 2002 2:30 PM
The MTB probably isn't heavier than a department store bike. Put some baldies on it for the road, and loan it out if you can't find any rentals.