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Runners knee(8 posts)

Runners kneePODIUMBOUNDdotCA
May 13, 2002 8:32 PM

I was just wondering if runners knee can be solely caused by poor shoes with no support anymore or if it could be something more. I've always had a strength imbalance between my quads and hamstrings so could this cause this as well?

Thanks in advance for the advice,
re: Runners knee (non expert response)wulf
May 13, 2002 10:20 PM
Until this spring, all I did was run. Alot. My knee issues, as well as shin splint problems (many in the last several years) have ALWAYS been cleared up by getting "aftermarket" insoles for my running shoes (I usually use the mfr. ones until I get hints of pain, then switch them out). The insoles provided from the manufacturer are total CRAP - they're thin and compress very easily and quickly. Dr. scholl's is what I get ($12-15US) to do the trick.

I can't speak at all to the strength imbalance you might have, and how severe it is, but try some new insoles. Also, if your shoes have more than a few hundred miles, it might be time for new digs.

Also, didn't you just do a marathon? As part of your recovery regimen? I've read your posts and know something of your history (your website) and you are more of an athlete than I, but even running 40mi/week for the last few years, a 6h. marathon would have my knees begging for mercy....might that be the problem as well???

Get well.
- Wulf
2nd the aftermarket insolesSteveO
May 14, 2002 3:09 AM
I suffered from shinsplits for years (with just a few miles running)... tried various stretching techniques, compression, every make/model shoe ever made, etc etc etc. Nothing worked.

It wasnt until i tried scholls that they went away - completely. Ive since run numerous marathons and uncountable halfs (halves?) without a problem.
3rd vote for aftermarket insolesdzrider
May 14, 2002 4:22 AM
I prefer Second Wind to Dr Scholls, fit my arch better.

There are many brands from $6.00 to $30.00 and all provide increased cushioning. Like seats, some will fit you better than others. I'd also look at the back of your running shoes to be certain they haven't begun to collapse to one side or the other. Replace them if they have.
re: Runners kneehusker
May 14, 2002 2:40 AM
Most knee problems for runners begin with the foot. Poor shoes etc, only exasperate the problem. You need decent shoes. With the knee problem, if is just a dull pain, it should be no big deal, if it is a sharp pain that you can locate, isolate and then touch and say "Damn, that hurts!" you've got problems. Also, if you are running and limping, STOP. Your only begging for troubles at that point. Limping will only lead to further injuries to other places of the body (back, another location on the leg, etc).

See the gym for leg strength imballence. Cybex machines and the like should help. You should also know that running long distances may zap a lot of the power that you use for sprinting (or jumping). But running is great for maintaining fitness. Hope that helps.
Similar problemsmuncher
May 14, 2002 3:39 AM
When I switched from doing lots of running and some cycling to the other way around, I got big knee problems, eventually diagnosed as CP (something patella, I forget what).

This was caused by a muscle imbalance at the top of the leg (due to the change of activities) which is turn let the tendon going over the kneecap to "wobble" too much, rub, and become inflamed.

4 months of physio sorted it (touch wood). However, no gym I know could have handled it - the excercises were very strange and very carefully monitored to rectify the problem, but it worked.

So my advice would be to go see a good sports physio and go from there. Of course, always use good shoes/soles too, but that was not the problem for me.

On the bright side, I was in real pain, and had to stop almost everything - even walking was painful. Now I am back to normal - just took a good expert and some hard work.

Good luck - m
re: Runners kneeAbol98
May 14, 2002 5:34 AM
'Runners Knee' is often a description for any sort of general ailment around the knee... make sure you know exactly what is causing the pain.

You're well advised to get a professional diagnosis and treatment. Aftermarket insoles do indeed cure many symptoms, however, some knee pain can be caused by unbalanced muscle groups. Chrondomalacia Patella is common and can be helped by certain strengthening excercises, but the degeneration of the tissue under the kneecap that results from isn't going to be fixed.

Definately get a professional checkup.
General Rule for Running Shoe Mileage = 300-500 milesMisJG
May 14, 2002 8:35 AM
Replace your running shoes every 300-500 miles. The cushioning compresses and wears out. No running shoe should be run on after 500. . .