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What I loved about the Giro Prologue (patriotic & short)...(15 posts)

What I loved about the Giro Prologue (patriotic & short)...t-bill
May 13, 2002 10:31 AM
I loved the fact the Tyler wrecked, head first no less, and still beat Simoni. Did Simoni have any problems? I don't remember? I thought he was supposed to be a good TT'er.
re: What I loved about the Giro Prologue (patriotic & short)...Wayne
May 13, 2002 11:03 AM
Simoni is mainly a climber, which is why he won the Giro last year and dropped Armstrong in the Tour of Switzerland on the mountain top finish. However he did TT surprising well in last year's Giro. After today's result (stage 2), coupled with his relatively poor prologue performance, it looks like his knee injury will keep him from being one of the main protagonists in this year's Giro.
What I can't figure is how is it patriotic to be happy that Hamilton beat Simoni, but still loss to 99 other non-Americans?
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Sintesi
May 13, 2002 11:26 AM
Where is Tyler in the GC? Bad prologue but I see he finished with the first group today, w/ no time loss. Not a lot of people made that time cut so maybe Tyler is feeling pretty strong after all. I am very anxious for the mountains.
Possible Giro spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Wayne
May 13, 2002 11:32 AM
Yes, he looked strong today. I was quite surprised since I don't think he's shown the slightest inkling of form in the build-up to the tour. And he made the first break of 6 or 7 riders which Casagrande initiated on the St. Nicholas climb, he didn't bridge up on the run-in to the finish like a number of the other top finishers in today's stage. Simoni looked like the big loser today not be able to follow the pace on the St. Nicholas and getting dropped on the final km or so undulating climb to the finish. Other big loser was Gotti who crashed and subsequently loss lots of time. The other big suprise for me was that Pantani finished near Simoni rather than much further back in the groups.
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.t-bill
May 13, 2002 11:37 AM
Tyler is 19th, 52 seconds back.
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.mr_spin
May 13, 2002 11:44 AM
As much as I want Tyler to win overall, Garzelli is the man for GC this year. He's strong this year, and his team is also very strong. Even if Hamilton is in top form, I think he will have his hands full trying to best Frigo for a podium spot. If Simoni doesn't come around, Hamilton and Frigo could be the show. Frigo and Hamilton are very similar riders - very good climbers, very good time trialists. Yeah, yeah, what about Casagrande? Well, I never liked him, and he can't TT.
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Wayne
May 13, 2002 12:06 PM
I think it's going to come down to Garzelli and Casagrande, even if you don't like him! They have to be the two hot favorites after today, but I agree with you that Garzelli will take it. Casagrande rode a relatively good prologue despite as you note not being a very good TTist, and I think one of the TT's is largely uphill (although not a mountain TT by anyone's definition). Frigo held on to win the tour of Romandie by the skin of his teeth which probably took a bit out of him (and he would have loss to Zulle if he hadn't lost time to a crash on one of the early stages), he didn't look that great today either. Maybe Rebellin or Boogerd will step and deliver in a Grand Tour finally?
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Sintesi
May 13, 2002 12:16 PM
Garzelli has been looking great all year and Mapei is definitely returned to form as the best team. Funny thing about Cassagrande, if I'm remembering rightly, he started his career as a time trialist and remade himself as a climber. I'm just hoping Tyler shows up in the mountains and gets himself a very respectable GC finish. Who knows he could pull out a stage win. Do you know who is main helpers on the TSC Tiscali team are?
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Wayne
May 13, 2002 12:34 PM
I think they're pretty weak in the domestique department but they do have Carlos Sastre. Who they actually have listed as their #1 rider. He's had some decent GT finishes in the past, some recent good results, and a top 10 or thereabouts finish in the prologue. I was actually pretty sure that was who the CSC rider was today who made the front group when Casagrande split the bunch, but it turned out to be Hamilton. I would imagine the two of them are actually co-leaders at least until the mountain top finish on stage 5.
Possible Tyler spoiler- don't read until tomorrow.Alpedhuez55
May 13, 2002 6:33 PM
CSC Tiscali has the Dane Michael Rasmussen and a couple of Spanish climbers. I think they can make a run for it. Riis thinks he is capable of a top 5 and seems to be in good form. The team performed well in last years tour. I think they made themselves even stronger this year.
re: What I loved about the Giro Prologue (patriotic & short)...t-bill
May 13, 2002 11:34 AM
In my mind it was patriotic because Tyler beat Simoni who has been falpping his gums about his ability to beat Lance in the TdF. Perhaps patriotic was not the appropriate term, but I loved the result nonetheless.

I really don't have anything against Simoni, I just prefer the guys who let their results so the talking. Simoni might have beat LA on that climb, but who won the GC? Simoni and Pantani have been doing a lot of talking lately!
Oh I see...Wayne
May 13, 2002 11:55 AM
I just don't equate being a fan of Armstrong with being patriotic, but whatever floats your boat. I think Simoni's comments regarding Armstrong and the tour have been a bit overblown. I mean he did drop Armstrong when Armstrong was in top shape, and he probably was on the downswing of his form following his Giro victory. If he thinks he can beat Armstrong because of that, so be it, you got to have some confidence. Big Tex has certainly made some bold statements over the past couple of years as well. Now Pantani's comments are just flat out dellusional, has he finished anywhere near the front of a race in the last couple of years?
Misunderstood again.t-bill
May 13, 2002 12:06 PM
Patriotic... because LA is from the good ol' USA, and I like seeing riders from the states doing well. I think we'd all like to see more Americans having success in the peloton. I'm not necessarily a Lance-o-phile. Please forget that I used the word patriotic!

"Big Tex" has made some bold statements. That is true, but he wins first, then talks! I think that is allowable in any sport.
I like seeing Armstrong win as well...Wayne
May 13, 2002 12:15 PM
that's why I can't call myself a Lance-o-Phile either. I think his focus on the Tour to the near exclusion of almost every other race does a bit of disservice to the sport of cycling as a whole. Of course from an American (marketing/fan interest) cycling perspective it makes all the sense in the world, but I'd still like to see him race like the champions of old.
You say that Big Tex wins first and then talks, but Simoni is Italian and he won the Giro, which in his and alot of the tifosi's minds is probably a bigger deal than winning the tour. We in America (and alot of the rest of the world also) have a fixation on the Tour as the be all, end all of cycling and that's just not true for alot of Europeans esp. Italians.
I like seeing Armstrong win as well...t-bill
May 13, 2002 12:40 PM
I would agree! I'd like to see the whole USPS team do more classics and all three grand tours. I'd like to see some of the other US guys (Rodriguez, Julich, Leipheimer, Hamilton, et al) winning, or at leats being competitive, in more races.

I guess we'll see what's what, and who's who when they face off at the TdF. That's another reason that the TdF gets so much focus, it's the only race where you'll see all the best grand tour riders (except Ulrich, too bad) face off.