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Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?(12 posts)

Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?kinclune
May 13, 2002 9:39 AM
Anybody have any information or experience with the Marin Verona? I am particularly concerned about the weight of the columbus thron tubing - how heavy is it? Compared to say 853?
re: Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?Nessism
May 13, 2002 9:56 AM
It is likely (very likely) to be heavier than 853 which may or may not be a good thing depending on how large/agressive the rider is.

Ed
re: Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?kinclune
May 13, 2002 10:56 AM
200 lbs., moderately aggressive. How does this affect whether it is a good thing or not? I agree that it will be heavier than the 853, but any idea as to how much?
Some thoughtsNessism
May 13, 2002 11:30 AM
When selecting a frame, fit should be the first consideration, stiffness second, and weight third. For a moderately agressive 200 pounder, stiffness is an important consideration since you will be able to seriously stress the frame.

Based on the most common versions of 853 (Reynolds offers this tubeset in various thicknesses and diameters) and Columbus Thorn, my guess is that the difference in the tubeset weights will be approximately 180 grams.

Frankly though, without knowing more specifics about the frames in question, this is just a guess. 853 can build into a fairly stout frame also if the thicker tubes are choosen.

Ed
I'm selling this bike right now on ebay...MrCrud
May 13, 2002 10:06 AM
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Too heavy for what?DaveG
May 13, 2002 2:39 PM
That's kind of a loaded question. It depends on what the intended use is. The Verona is probably too heavy to do any serious racing on, but then the bike is not targeted towards that use anyway. I have a Marin Vicenza which runs nearly 23lbs ready to ride (pedals, cages, computer, etc), with Veloce triple and the somewhat heavier Ambrosio Balance rims, in a 59cc. The Verona probably weighs a slight bit more, perhaps half a pound more than an 853 frame (depending on size and design). The Verona may well be stiffer than an 853 frame due to thicker tubes. I have not ridden the Verona, but I can say that the finish and build quality of the Marin road bikes is excellent. This bike will probably do fine for centuries, light touring, and club rides if you are not super-competitive.
re: Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?SnowBlind
May 13, 2002 3:14 PM
According to: http://www.columbustubi.com/english/acciaio/index.htm

a 54cm frame and fork is about 1.4kg. This does not include lugs (doubt it uses these) or wielding, dropouts, and mounting bosses. ~3.5lbs for a fork and frame set is not too bad in steel. Cromoly, so no rust.
Really, it is more of a club bike, hence the triple and heavy but bomb proof wheels, you might want a lighter bike for pure racing.
I have a Zona tubed bike, Chorus, with lighter wheels and a carbon fork, it comes in at 20.2 lbs.
If I were to go full "race" kit, i.e. SLR and tubulars, no pump, lighter stem and bars, it should come in at 18.5 to 19 lbs. I don't race yet, so I have not actually done it.

Should be a nice ride though, very forgiving and durable.
The 853 is going to be similar, I think to the Thron. The website for Reynolds is pretty bad, so no real specs.
Frame design and geometry will impact ride just as much, or even more, so ride both if you can.
A little more informationNessism
May 13, 2002 6:31 PM
The weight of the tube set that Columbus publishes does not include: fork, bottom bracket shell, rear dropouts, brake bridge, braze-ons, paint, ect. You can expect a Thorn frame to come in at a good 4+ lbs. depending on what fittings are being used. Also, cromoly tubing is carbon steel so it will rust if exposed to oxygen in the air.

Ed
A little more informationSnowBlind
May 14, 2002 8:13 AM
My bad, when they said 8 tubes, and I saw eight tubes pictured, I forgot that the seat and chainstays are pairs.
I did point out some of the add-ons, but I can't remember everything on a Monday.
From what I understood, one of the advantages of CrMo is reduced (ok so I said "no") rust problems, and that it a vast improvement over carbon steel. COuld be wrong, but, oh well.
re: Marin Verona, Columbus Thron - too heavy?SFgeek
May 13, 2002 4:22 PM
I've had my Verona for about 8 months now. I'm slowly lightening her with ultegra/open pro; slr; kestrel ems pro. She's still pretty heavy, compared to friends', but I'm addicted to her ride quality and comfort. Definitely upgrade the wheels - ride improvement is noticable. Not for racing. Definitely a tourer.
can you spell it outkinclune
May 13, 2002 7:41 PM
I am not sure about all of the upgrades you have done, can you spell them out for me? Thanks.

What about the fork?

Thanks.
can you spell it outSFgeek
May 14, 2002 6:27 AM
fork - waiting for a kestrel ems pro from nashbar, $129. then off to LBS for new (threadless) headset, stem and install.