|Anybody use "Runner's Advantage Creatine Serum"||Pneumo|
May 12, 2002 10:02 AM
|Anybody use "Runner's Advantage Creatine Serum" as seen in the latest issue of CycleSport?
Supposedly safe because it's liquid - " use of powdered creatine as an exercise supplement. However, because liquid creatine goes directly into the bloodstream, it doesn't cause water retention or dehydration. So, you get the energy boost of creatine without the side effects of powder."
Has anyone been using it? Results?
|re: Anybody use "Runner's Advantage Creatine Serum"||weiwentg|
May 12, 2002 10:43 AM
|it sounds like bulls--t. creatine, powdered or not, is safe. it causes water retention (actually, it draws water into the muscles). that's more or less it. if you are a wrestler and you undergo dehydration, you are probably asking for trouble.
now, how exactly is this liquid supposed to go directly into the bloodstream? is it injected? that's the only way anything is going into the bloodstream.
and anyway, creatine would be more useful for track cyclists (short distance).
|Agreed and adding my experience into the mix (not crash related)||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
May 12, 2002 10:56 AM
|First of all liquid or powdered creatine it doesn't matter. Creatine is creatine so get the cheapest stuff. Then if you can afford it liquid stuff MAY speed absorbtion. Its like as you get more and more expensive protein supplements they get more and more refined. This I believe because I invest in the more expensive stuff since I am a sprinter and muscle growth is key to my success.
Second of all, I'm a track sprinter (not endurance) and have used creatine before. My story of taking it cycling begins at nationals 2 years ago when I started going into it. I felt the affects. I gained 10 lbs in the course of a week pretty much and the previous time less than a year before the same thing happened in football when I was a running back (sprinter obviously). So its possibly water retention, or because it stayed on it could be muscle to. Irregardless it may be creatine speeds fat production as well. So I went for a mountain bike when I got home and I felt the weight I had put on making my pitiful sprinter attempt at climbing... well worse. So the moral of this story is for endurance athletes it could hurt you. But if your doing weight stuff to sqeuak out a few more reps sometime during a strength phase it would be great.
Hope this helps. I'm available at Nick@podiumbound.ca if you have any questions. Just remember with any supplement people react differently to them. Also make sure you use a supplement long before any race let alone an important race like nationals.
Also if anyone notices this, I'm not posting below on the thread that has obviously grown. Thank you to my supporters, the heck with the nay-sayers. As much as I'd love to post to everyone I'm trying to recovery by training so I don't have time.
|Agreed and adding my experience into the mix (not crash related)||weiwentg|
May 12, 2002 11:11 AM
|Nick, the initial weight gain is basically all water. it does not increase fat production. creatine basically is part of the ATP energy cycle in some way (been a long time, forgot the specifics).
different people respond differently - when I used the stuff (fairly low doses), I didn't gain any water weight (skipped the loading phase too). strength gains were not great.
rubber side down, eh? (applies equally to me, check the General forum around April 7-11 if you haven't heard the story)
|This is the info from the website on why the liquid....||Pneumo|
May 12, 2002 1:19 PM
|This is the info from the website on why the liquid is NOT like the powder.
Dehydration And Creatine
Even noting these successes, the problem with creatine for many endurance athletes is the issue of side effects. Powdered creatine can cause dehydration, bloating and cramping. This occurs because users must ingest large volumes of highly-insoluble powder in order to have an effective amount of creatine actually be absorbed into the muscles. The dehydration is not actually caused by the creatine monohydrate, but by the large amount of powder. This sucks water out of the body.
Muscles work by contracting, and they cannot contract repeatedly for long periods without being well fueled. Hydration is also essential because water is used to control body temperature when the muscles are producing energy. Proper fueling and hydration before and during exercise can delay fatigue, thereby allowing performance to continue at high level for longer periods.
Furthermore, dehydration reduces blood volume, so less blood reaches the working muscles. The competition between your muscles and your cooling mechanism for blood becomes greater as you progressively become more dehydrated. Obviously, if you are ingesting a substance such as creatine powder, which decreases the amount of water available to your body, you are exacerbating these problems. This threat to effective rehydration is why many endurance athletes simply stayed away from all forms of creatine.
That's why it's important to understand that Runners Advantage Creatine Serum is a stable and highly soluble liquid. It is easily absorbed and will not contribute in any way to dehydration or cramping. These are the reasons that endurance athletes all over the world are starting to use Creatine Serum to improve their strength and running times. Formulated For Runners About one and a half years ago we set out to make a formulation of Creatine Serum specifically for runners and other endurance athletes. We believed that our stable and soluble form of liquid creatine monohydrate could be as beneficial to them as it was to weightlifters and other power athletes.
We reformulated our highly-soluble and easily-absorbed Creatine Serum, adding to it a number of other supplements that would also be of specific benefit to endurance athletes The result is Runners Advantage Runners Advantage has been shown to not only improve overall workout quality, but to improve the ability to run fast in the face of mounting fatigue
May 12, 2002 1:40 PM
|If you ate the powder, and drank water, just how exactly would this be any different than their miracle solution? Their logic is totally flawed, and just designed to sell their product. Once it is dissolved in the stomach, the osmotic forces driving it into the bloodstream will be the same whether it came in as powder or solution.|
|This is the info from the website on why the liquid....||weiwentg|
May 12, 2002 3:12 PM
|crap, I say! your body only starts using creatine to synthesize ATP when you're really, REALLY hammering. this is not of great benefit for endurance athletes.
>The dehydration is not actually caused by the creatine monohydrate, but by the large amount of powder. This sucks water out of the body.
wrong; it's the creatine itself that pulls water into the muscle tissues. powder doesn't suck water out of the body...
|My experiences with creatine which make me say don't buy it||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
May 12, 2002 4:34 PM
|So anyway I've gone on creatine twice in my life. Both times if I didn't drink enough I'd cramp up big time. Also in football I'd pull my muscles so often its not funny. However, only in my hamstrings after a long workout doing sprints at the end. Not fun. So in my opinion unless your a pure sprinter in the sport its not even worth it. I'm not even on it. I believe protein can do far more at least for now than protein ever can for me. There have been studies that prove fat gain ramps up when you start using it. And for whatever reason both times I gained 10 lbs and it stayed on so noone can tell me thats water retention, because I know its not. However, I'm not a doctor but I know my body very well from being an athlete all my life. And its telling me to sleep now so I'm done.
2 more of cents of mine,
May 12, 2002 5:17 PM
First of all what happened in your crash? Since people crashing is a bad topic to bring up right now feel free to email me at firstname.lastname@example.org . April 7-11th I was so out of it its not funny! Amnesia...
Anyway about the creatine. I don't believe the weight I gained was water. This is due mainly in part, because I can't explain permanent water weight being added. Water comes and goes. Which leads me to believe it was fat. A number of studies have shown this from what I have heard. When I took it as well I took it all the time and also avoided any diuretics like caffeine or anything citric acid that could break apart the ATP. But I agree the strength gains for me weren't great either.
|Save your money||grandemamou|
May 13, 2002 5:25 AM
|I tried it for a month and could not tell any difference. Not exactly scientific but it was conclusive enough for me.|
May 13, 2002 8:26 PM
|Your far better off just getting protein. Especially if your an endurance cyclist.
My 1 cent,
|re: Anybody use "Runner's Advantage Creatine Serum"||brider|
May 13, 2002 7:36 AM
|So I'd have to ask the question: If, when using the powder, they say to drink it IMMEDIATELY after mixing, as the creatine is NOT stable in solution, how is it then stable in THIS solution? The answer is that it isn't, and that is why creatine sera have been disappearing off the market (check the Testosterone magazine's website and search around a little). Usually, the serum type products are forulated so as to hide the fact that there is very little actual creatine there (never mind that you're not going to get any of it because it has de-stabilized). Effervescent creatine was an attempt to address the gastric problems that a lot of people had with crystalline creatine, but many people had problems with it as well. Bottom line -- if you really wat to try it, just go with cheap pure creatine, and mix it with some fruit juice and drink immediately. If you have stomach cramps and diarhea, then you're probably going to have problems with ANY creatine. And make sure you up your water intake SIGNIFICANTLY while on.|| |