|Was He a Poser?????||garhead|
May 7, 2002 2:07 AM
|I'm new to biking & new to this site but here's one for ya'll.
Just did a wonderful 4County Metric this Sunday in PA. There was this guy at the finish party with a beautiful Red Kestrel 200 SCI with a complete Red/Yellow team uniform including matching Red/Yellow helmet, shades & shoes! Legs shaved! The only tell tale sign of posing was his BELLY was LARGER than mine & I'm 230 lbs. Was he a poser?????? LOL
May 7, 2002 4:08 AM
|I rarely post on these topics, but I do have an interesting story. I was working in the shop one day, and had Christian VandeVelde drop by mid-ride; which was not that uncommon an occurance. About ten minutes after he left, a local Cat ~4ish racer came in and said that he had just seen a 'total poser' in a full USPS team kit and Trek OCLV; what a loser that guy was, probably never rode in races, blah blah blah. It was an amusing exercise for those of us who knew who he was talking about...|
|great story ...||tarwheel|
May 7, 2002 4:19 AM
|To non-cyclists, we all look like goobers. So I try not to be too critical about what other cyclists wear. My motto is "Be Seen," so I wear all sorts of brightly colored jerseys, which look nice to me but probably look poseurish to those who prefer the stealth look -- black jerseys and shorts that blend right into the pavement.|
May 7, 2002 4:23 AM
|I can top that TJ, Frankie Andreau's grandparents don't live too far from here. He comes down in the winter to visit and can often be seen riding late in the dat when it is warmest. Well he gets talked into coming on the fast Sunday ride. He of course shows up in his team kit as he is supposed to do. The local hot shots decide to "Burn the poser" they keep up a very hard pace, burning most themselves up in the process, Frank say's nothing, just stays on the tops of his bars and rides along with them. Oh yeah, temp was in the low 60's so Frank had full thermals on like the pro's do while everybody else was in shorts.|
May 7, 2002 10:31 AM
|These are good. Here's mine(not really "poser related").
I'm working in the LBS and a guy, new to town, asks if there are any "serious riders" in this city.
You could have heard a pin drop. Location? Austin, Texas.
|Did a ride on Sunday morning..||thatsmybush|
May 7, 2002 3:06 PM
|Guy had a Mapei Ct1 with Bartoli Mapei Italian Champ Jersey and Mapei shorts and you know what I thought. Hey thanks for coming out and supporting the National Kidney Foundation... By the By I was wearing my team Rabo jersey. Hopefully posts like this will become less and less frequent as pro jerseys become more pervasive. I know when I ordered my first Saeco jersey years ago I had to jump through hoops and search out a bike shop that could find one, now I just go to any number if internet shops that sell them for alot less. We are here we wear team jerseys. Deal|
|re: Did he do the ride?||dzrider|
May 7, 2002 4:32 AM
|If he was hangin out in full team regalia without riding he was a poser. If he rode, he can wear anything he wants. The real question is whether you would feel like a poser dressed that way?|
|He beat you, didn't he?||MisJG|
May 7, 2002 4:53 AM
|I just think you are upset 'cause he made it to the finish party before you did!!|
May 7, 2002 5:17 AM
|I try not to enjoy belittling others. Not only could I be wrong about them, but it's just not nice.
|I try to avoid these judgements...||Djudd|
May 7, 2002 5:25 AM
|you never know who that guy with the big belly is. Have you seen Merckx lately? If he is in a Molteni jersey do you call him a poser?|
May 7, 2002 5:31 AM
|I think there are two issues:
1) What if you're wrong?
2) Even if you are right, is it ok to go around calling people "posers"?
I think the second question is actually the more important. I just think it's distasteful and a bit insecure.
|re: How was the ride?||JL|
May 7, 2002 5:27 AM
|I wanted to go but had other obligations and had to do miles locally. How was it?
|He was at the FINISH party!! No he's not a poser (nm)||Dave Hickey|
May 7, 2002 5:29 AM
|He was at the FINISH party!! No he's not a poser (nm)||garhead|
May 7, 2002 5:42 AM
|Well I have no idea if he beat me or not since it was a ride not a race, I do know that my bike was stowed & I was in flip flops when I saw him walking thru all of the people with his red bike, shoes & all. He just looked so damn silly all in red from head to toe that's all.|
|I don't like to be judgemental but...||Uncle Tim|
May 7, 2002 6:16 AM
|I think there is a some degree of posing here.
In our club, we have what I think is the perfect example of a Fred. Full cycling team kit. Custom bike. Takes himself and cycling very seriously. Only wants to talk about his bike. Very large gut.
He's not a bad rider, really. He always goes out fast on rides (not races!)and will, very predictably, blow up and fall off the back when the road starts to roll. Rides the last miles of the ride as though he's strolling around the neighborhood.
I wish I had the guts to take a photo and post it.
May 7, 2002 6:30 AM
|Have you done anything to help the guy, even assuming he needs it?
Man, I just get really tired of these posts dumping on other riders for what they ride or how they look. I fully understand the temptation to do so, but it's just not right.
|These threads are getting old||jtolleson|
May 7, 2002 6:39 AM
|If you care that much about what others do or look like then it speaks to your fundamental insecurities about yourself.
Although I don't own any matchy-matchy team garb, I have plenty of poseur qualities, including that I ride an unnecessarily expensive bike of which my skills are not really worthy. I have an overpriced helmet (Pneumo). Tough. I like it.
I wonder if those who spend more time thinking about other's attire than helping others or at least focusing on themselves aren't the real poseurs.
May 7, 2002 6:46 AM
|Posted on another forum:
"What's wrong with being a fred?
I enjoy looking totally tourist, being passed by a 'racer-type' at a light and then kicking his butt in the next mile or so until I can watch him drop-off in agony in my fred-helmet mirror as I sip from my fred camel back, listening to my fred radio.
No, nothing wrong with fred.
Seana. (Hogan, winner of the Race Across AMerica women's division for the last four years; holder of the women's transcontinental record and the men's west coast record)"
I've ridden lots of miles with Seana, and she can kick my butt any day. Anyone seeing her would think she's about as "freddish" as it gets, with Camelbak, mirror, aerobars, slow cadence/bad form, mp3 player, and, oh yes, that "poser" RAAM finisher jersey she wears occasionally.
This is getting really annoying.
May 7, 2002 7:20 AM
|does she have a bigger belly then me???? That was the whole point. I could care less what people wear or what they ride because I also ride a bike way better than my skills dictate|
May 7, 2002 7:30 AM
|She did before and right after she had a baby just over a year ago, and still rode the Furnace Creek 508 last year.
Who cares about someone else's body, what they wear, or what they ride? We should be happy the guy, overweight or not, is out riding. Isn't that what it's all about? Is there a weight limit for certain clothing or to enter certain events? In other words, let's focus on the positive.
|if that was your point, you didnt express it very well...||SteveO|
May 7, 2002 7:43 AM
|"complete red/yellow team uniform, including matching red/yellow helmet shades, and shoes"
"he just looked so damn silly all in red from head to toe"
regardless, at your weight, i wouldnt throw stones.
|Can't agree more...||biknben|
May 7, 2002 7:24 AM
|"If you care that much about what others do or look like then it speaks to your fundamental insecurities about yourself."
Thank you for saying it.
I'm too busy trying to improve MY abilities to waste time belittling the abilities of others.
May 7, 2002 1:50 PM
|"I wonder if those who spend more time thinking about other's attire than helping others or at least focusing on themselves aren't the real poseurs."
Yup, that's right. This is not in reference to the original poster, but my observation has been that the guys who look most like posers are often the ones most desperately trying to label everyone else as such. The moral is if you find yourself constantly questioning who or what a poser is you need to quit looking at image and ride for yourself.
|On the subject of bellies,||steve1244|
May 7, 2002 8:15 AM
|a good friend of mine is about 5'10" and weighs 240 if he weighs an ounce. He's got a belly bigger than mine and I'm a solid 220.
The only thing bigger than my pal's gut, apparently, are his lungs because despite his size, the guy is an absolute genetic freak of a climbing machine. I've been on rides with him when we're on those long, demoralizing, grinding climbs that everyone hates and he's passing people left and right.
The best is when he glides right by some 145 lb. wisp dressed in full team regalia riding an ultralight bike. Skinny boy, panting and laboring in his granny gear, looks over and then quickly does a double take, in total disbelief, as this John Candy lookalike mashes off and up into the distance. You can actually see the demoralization and disbelief in skinny boy's body language -- his shoulders slump and he kind of sinks into his saddle.
The moral of the story is this: don't be misled by the size of a biker's gut. If he's in shape, there's a decent possibility that he's capable of destroying you in the hills and making you look like a girly man.
|On the subject of bellies,||garhead|
May 7, 2002 8:22 AM
|Hey I hear ya. My biggest asset is the MO I get going down the hill & therefore the speed going into the climb. :) I hate those damn stop signs at the bottom of hills!!!|
|Oh, that's a funny one.||Leisure|
May 7, 2002 1:38 PM
|Reading some of these stories makes me wish we had a campfire and marshmellows around. Beautiful story. Feel sorry for the skinny guy, though.|
|Good to finally meet...||mduell|
May 7, 2002 8:19 PM
|the guy who's blowing past me on all those hills.
Mark "the-135lb-wisp" Duell
|re: Was He a Poser?????||MVN|
May 7, 2002 8:59 AM
|I guess you could call me a Fred (not that I care). I prefer bright colors (I want the odds in my favor safety-wise). I have a RED Phi Pro helmet (love it, very visible), my 2 fave jerseys are a Voler US Flag jersey and a Pace Blue w/red & orange Flames jersey. My bike is actually below my abilities (can't afford anything else at the moment) and it's Red, White, and Blue. And I'm about 30 pounds overweight (and my gut is a little pronounced). But I love to ride, anytime anywhere. Isn't that what it's really about, love of the sport? Problem is my schedule won't allow many rides during the week but I do what I can. To my knowledge no one has ever laughed at me, at least not in my presence, even on group rides. My doctor certainly doesn't laugh at me, in fact he wants to go with me when we can arrange it. Usually people give me a thumbs up and a honk for the US Flag jersey. Just call me Fred, White, and Blue, lol.|
|freds and posers||grandemamou|
May 7, 2002 9:25 AM
While doing the Katy Flatland several years ago I completely bonked. I was dead in the water at the 80 mile mark. A guy rides up to me and says man you look bad I said "un hunh". He told me to grab his wheel and he pulled me all the way in. He weighed a good 250 was riding an ancient Mercian and wearing knee high socks. I swore never to make fun of freds again.
Last year at HTH I brought 2 spare tubes turns out I needed 3 (thorns). Disgusted and waiting for the broom wagon a guy pulls up on a Pinarello. Full Team Telekom kit including Addidas shoes. He gives me one of his tubes and absolutely refuses to take payment. Bonus I get to finish.
If you ride long enough you will run into trouble and may need help. If you ride long enough you begin to realize that we all belong to the same club. We are cyclists and we "all" dress funny
|Great stories........(nm)||Dave Hickey|
May 7, 2002 10:58 AM
|To pose or not to pose.||grzy|
May 7, 2002 9:44 AM
|That is the question, but who cares? |
If you start getting all judgemental where does it end? Ultimately it all feeds into the arrogant roadie prick mindset.
May 7, 2002 1:42 PM
|There is only one type of POSER||I Love Shimano|
May 7, 2002 5:56 PM
|and he is the guy in full cycling gear with the high-end bike that he never rides but always shows off to visitors.
Everyone else are CYCLISTS, regardless of what they wear!