|Is this guy a Fred?||firstrax|
May 5, 2002 6:55 PM
|On my ride today I saw a guy who still had his number plate from a race two weeks ago hangin off his bike. Kinda like when an 18 year old takes his mustang to the drags and leaves the window markings on for the rest of the summer.Is he a Fred or a trend setter?|
May 5, 2002 7:06 PM
|re: Is this guy a Fred?||R-I-D-E|
May 5, 2002 7:41 PM
|...sort of like going skiing/snowboarding and leaving a collection of lift tickets fixed to your jacket.
|re: Is this guy a Fred?||SilentBob|
May 6, 2002 5:06 AM
|Or people who leave the itemized breakdown of how much they paid for their new car on their window... for weeks on end!|
|Many weekly events require it.||SingleThreaded|
May 5, 2002 8:38 PM
|A couple of the weekly time trials around here ask that you keep your number on for the whole season so they can keep track of you week-to-week.|
|Doug, I love that link...||Djudd|
May 6, 2002 4:46 AM
|I am so tired of the whole "Fred" thing. In the mid-eighties I was a bike courier in NYC and DC. We called folks "Freds" who worked on broken down, ill fitting, down right dangerous machines, guys who had to pack it in for the day when they got a flat because they couldn't fix it. There was the subtext of "these guys are taking money out of our pockets and not respecting the job".
Now everyone is calling everyone else a Fred. I would bet some kid in the Boston area has blown by the legendary John Allis on training ride and called him a Fred. I just want to ride my bike, meet good people and have fun.
May 6, 2002 6:19 AM
|i've only been floating around this board for a few weeks and im already tired of all the 'fred' posts.
who cares if the guy has a number on his bike? Is it impacting you in any way?
Or the fact that i ride w/out spandex?
or the fact that some prefer color-coordinating equipment?
or a beginner can afford an expensive bike?
or an experienced rider cant?
Perhaps we need a term to describe cyclists who are judgemental of other cyclists without reason.
May 6, 2002 7:08 AM
|Maybe he's a former 300 lb couch potato who wants to experience the afterglow of completing his first MS150.
Maybe the number belonged to another rider who became killed or injured.
Maybe the number reflects that he raised over $10,000 for Children's Hospital (I got a frame tag number for that once) and he's showing it to his donors.
Maybe he just wants folks to know he rides/races/whatever.
But really, why should we care? And why should we even have to discuss whether to give him a pejorative name or not?
|I hope it's a trend||rrodrigz|
May 6, 2002 7:10 AM
|What we have here is the classic argument about the relative value of "function"(i.e.cycling fitness and performance) vs "form"(i.e. cycling gear and paraphernalia).
Some who believe "function" is the prime element of the biking experience think it somehow improper when an individual's display and /or enjoyment of the "form" elements of biking exceeds their cycling ability("function"). As if the enjoyment of one aspect of biking (form) were somehow related or dependent on the other!
RELAX! Some people will get into superior form using the most pedestrian of accesories(stoics and ascetics), others can barely pedal up their own driveway astride a Colnago in full regalia (Freds, whatever).
IT'S ALL GOOD!. They all love their bikes, some more the function of it, some more the form of it. Thank God for all of them, for they all keep our market thriving.
|re:As one who pays little attention to my cycling wardrobe||dzrider|
May 6, 2002 7:38 AM
|I attribute all "Fred/poseur" posts to Freds and poseurs trying to learn a set of rules to avoid looking Freds and poseurs.|
|a true fred is..||salmonwheel|
May 6, 2002 8:57 AM
|someone who is more fred-like than me and a poseur is someone who is more of a poseur than me.|
|And of the other drivers on the road . . .||CRM|
May 6, 2002 1:01 PM
|the ones who drive slower than you are idiots and the ones who drive faster than you are maniacs!|
|And YOU, of course, are a "SERIOUS CYCLIST"... (nm)||tz|
May 6, 2002 9:03 AM
|There are no Freds||MGS|
May 6, 2002 4:52 PM
|I just did a sponsored ride involving 25-40-52-75-100 mile circuits. The final 75-100 mile rides finished on the same course of the 25 mile beginner ride.
On my way in, I passed several riders, out for the day, with numbers from a previous sponsored ride.
I waved to them, commenting on the beautiful weather, and voiced a word of encouragement as I continued past.
There are no Freds, only those who bike, and those who don't.