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What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?(15 posts)

What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?Morgan
May 2, 2002 10:12 AM
A friend of mine is upgrading to Campy Record, while doing this he figures its a good time to upgrade his wheels. He is looking for lightweight, durable, under $1000.00. All four brands have great wheels I think. Which one should he go with. Hey Doug Slone are you out there, I know you have had a few of these brands so I would like you feedback as well.

re: What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?pmf1
May 2, 2002 10:24 AM
I've got Speed Dream Aerolights and Mavic Ksyrium. I've only had the SD's 6-8 months, but they seem to be great wheels. Especially for the price. My set weigh in at 1435 grams. Not bad for $500. The K's I've had for a few years. They've proven to be nearly indestructable wheels. You can get the original ones for around $600.

The SDs are easier to repair, cheaper and lighter. If they prove to be as indestructable as the K's, I'd give them the edge. The jury is out on that as of yet. I've heard some folks complain that the AC hubs burn out after 200 miles. That has not been my experience.
More Speed Dream Infobigdave
May 2, 2002 11:40 AM
I had a set of SpeedDreams. I loved them for longish, fast rides, and road races. They were light, rolled terrifically and were a huge upgrade over my MXP-33s. The reason I say "had" is because I sold them. Why? Crit performance.

I was tipping the scales at about 185 or so when I used them in my first crit. I go about 6'2" and did a lot of off-season leg weight leg work. I was not a portly 185. But I do corner aggressively, better than average. I noticed a disturbing sensation in hard left-hand corners. It felt like I was getting a flat, with the rear end feeling like it was doing slow-speed oscillations like the tire was squirming around.

After every one of those corners, I'd look down at my rear tire... nope, not flat, full sidewall height. Kept happening in the fast left-handers.

After the race, I did some tests with my standard, 32-spoke 3-cross wheels and they felt solid. The SD's felt squirrly in the left-handers. I called Dave and he attributed it to the lighter-gauge spokes on the drive side. He offered to replace them with the heavier spokes from the left side, but I just decided to sell them. I got very near what I paid, as I only rode them about 100 miles.

The other reason I sold them is I was using Open Pros for my race tires... I love those tires for racing. They fit *sooooo* tight on the Sun Venus rims it was ridiculous.

So, I decided to go with the Excel Cirrus wheelset, Open Pros with DA hubs, etc. They are light, not as aero, not *as* light, but since I ride more crits than anything, they fit my needs better.

If I rode more road races, I wouldn't hesitate on the SD's. I liked them, but they just didn't suit my riding style.


Meant "Axial" Pros for tires, not Open... nmbigdave
May 2, 2002 11:58 AM
re: What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?curlybike
May 2, 2002 10:36 AM
REmember the wheels made by Campy or those based on something using a Campy Compatable Cass. carrier work best with Campy.
I already know what Doug's going to say.Sintesi
May 2, 2002 10:36 AM
Ksyriums hands down.
re: What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?PaulCL
May 2, 2002 11:40 AM
I have speeddreams. No problem with the hubs even after 3000 miles.

My set weighs 1428 grams. At 185-192lbs, I can be rough on wheels. The sd's have held up without problem. I did have to return them to Dave becuase the rim eyelet holes had a defect. Without hesitation, he built up a new rim for me without charge. Get that service from Mavic!

I went throught the same decision a year + ago. You know what I picked. The K's, if bought domestically, were much too expensive. Velomax, at the time, didn't make Campy compatible hubs. I almost went with Neutrons, but just liked the SD's more.

For price, weight, aerodynamics, strength, and the use of Campy hubs....go with Speeddreams!
re: What to buy: Velomax, Mavic, Campy or Daves Speed Dreams?DrSchu
May 2, 2002 12:08 PM
try a pair of Joe Young Custom wheels, they are awesome. they will perform great with record.
May 2, 2002 12:53 PM
Here's how I would rank them, with a bias toward using them for racing and fast events, too:

1. 2002 Zipp 303 carbon/alum clinchers (right at $1k)

2. Mavic Ksyriums

3. Nucleons, or equiv now

I have Velomax Ascent Pros (tubular carbon), and would not recommend them. They are light, but very flimsey laterally. I don't think they come in Campy 10 compatible, anyway, and the adapter cassettes would not fit.

I had some locally built wheels the same as Speed Dreams, and they were the worst wheels I've ever seen. Every after 3 rebuilts, they cannot stay true, and now I just don't trust them.

Wouldn't rule out Record hubs and Open Pros. Easy to fix.

If the buddy wants to save a few bucks over the Zipps, the Ksyriums, no doubt. Don't you have some?

A local bike shop owner (Rich) had horrible things to say about HED, or I'd look into the Alps.

Doug, any tidbits on Velocity/American Classics? nmLone Gunman
May 2, 2002 1:02 PM
maybe not a good exampleDougSloan
May 2, 2002 1:24 PM
Like I said, mine were horrible. Spokes loosened and practically fell out. They want so far out of true I could not safely brake. But, everyone tells me it was likely just the build.
Stay away from Am classic hubslongfellow68
May 3, 2002 2:36 AM
Hub design is screwed up, and if you put to much grease in the hubs, its sprays out all over the wheel spokes and onto the brake pads.
Thanks Doug.........Morgan
May 2, 2002 1:51 PM
I value your input in this area. Yeah I have the K's and love them except for one time at the grizzly century when the rear got out of true, it was a frustrating day for me. Other than that they have been great. Hopefully I will run catch you on the road one of these days. How is the Baby?

May 2, 2002 3:05 PM
Baby due June 18, and all is well and on track. I'm not allowed far from home from this point forward, and cell phone access is 24 hr a day requirement.

Problems with the K's are extremely rare, from what I hear. Mine have been flawless. I would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone. For pure performance, I think the Zipps might have the edge. I doubt they are as tough, though.

May 2, 2002 5:44 PM
Hey Doug. All the best with the new life. Some things are even better than cycling. God bless.