|Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||ColnagoFE|
May 2, 2002 9:42 AM
|Do you all just HATE it when another cyclists passes you on a training ride. I was going out for a easy spin the other day and some guy came up from behind and passed me. There went the casual ride right there...you get the picture. Is it me being weird about this or do you all just loathe getting passed? To make a long story short a easy training ride turned into a race to the city limits sign.|
May 2, 2002 9:49 AM
|Gotta get over the insecurity that "mines bigger". You really have no idea what a training ride is. If it really is a training ride then one would assume that tyou have a goal and objectives and a very specific plan on how to get there. If so how could you let some other rider get you to toss it all away? It takes discipline and self confidence to stick to your plan. You gotta resist rising to the bait everytime it gets presented like some dumb fish.|
|I use the term training ride loosely||ColnagoFE|
May 2, 2002 11:38 AM
|I don't race regularly so I don't have a very strict plan and even though I had lifted legs that day it was really not a very big deal to go a bit harder than I planned. Maybe it's because I've been in better shape in years past that I let this stuff get to me--and in reality it sometimes does and sometimes doesn't bother me--but I was just curious if this was a common reaction or whether I'm just crazy. Sounds like a little of both.|
|a reaction common to this subculture could be pretty crazy - nm||dzrider|
May 2, 2002 12:17 PM
|re: Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||gtx|
May 2, 2002 9:52 AM
|I just ride my usual tempo and don't mind getting passed--even by guys on mountain bikes with squeeky drivetrains. Anyway, I know that 99% of the time I'll be seeing them again at the next hill. The thing I hate is when I pass someone and they then try to make a race out if it--it can get annoying--and this gets more frequent once the weather starts getting nicer.|
|actually I've done that||salmonwheel|
May 2, 2002 12:27 PM
|I've had people pass me on my commutes and I will speed up and pass them. The reason is on my morning commutes I will stop paying attention to my speed and end up cruising real slow thinking about other things. When someone passes me it sort of wakes me up and I realize how slow I'm going and get my spinning back online. Just for fun sometimes I'll wait a while |
I'm a bit confused; if someone speeds up and passes you after you pass them, why is that different than someone passing you first. If you don't mind getting passed just let them go. When I'm out on training or on longer solo fun rides, I can get a bit annoyed when I pass someone going significantly faster than them and they speed up to draft on me or ride right with me without saying anything, usually they will get dropped after a while, but man don't speed up 5 miles an hour to ride with me if you don't know if I want company.
|actually I've done that||gtx|
May 2, 2002 1:43 PM
|I just hate it when people treat a ride like a race but then and end up struggling and getting in your way or even being dangerous. This is the sort of thing that often happens on weekends.|
|re: Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||Woof the dog|
May 2, 2002 9:56 AM
|no, because I know that I could be faster than him either already or potentially. He could die any second, and then I would be certainly faster. I'd rather focus on my training. Only stupid people turn this into a competition. I am secure in my ability and I don't have to show it off. I've raced against guys who are just ripped, they look like they should be superfast, but I kick their ass so bad! I also am aware that there are people faster than me and I respect that. Besides, if you try to drop him it may turn out that you can't, and you will feel even worse. Dumb dumb dumb. This is what owning a colnago does to you.
Woof, the grade-A-honey producing BEE
|re: Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||mixinbeatz|
May 2, 2002 9:59 AM
|I used to get really worked up when this happened. But now that I am racing a lot more, my attitude has humbled. I have nothing to prove on my daily rides, that is what racing is for. I realized that recovery rides would never be recovery rides if I chased down every beer bellied fool on a $4000 bike that passes me without uttering a word. I still like to put down the hammer every once in a while, I especially like doing it to the tri-athlete guys who pass me in full on TT mode. Nothing is more enjoyable than riding someone off your wheel with your hands on the tops drinking from a waterbottle as they struggle to hang on!|
|re: Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||gtx|
May 2, 2002 10:05 AM
|that reminds me of a stunt I used to pull when I was a teenager--before passing people I'd get a little extra speed up and then go by coasting while drinking from my water bottle. Man, I was jerk!|
|LOL! That's a good one. Sad what entertains me. (nm)||SilentBob|
May 6, 2002 5:16 AM
|abusing the tri guys||Duane Gran|
May 2, 2002 10:22 AM
|I'll fess up, I like to mess with tri-athletes, but I don't let it take me off course for my training plan.
As for actually abusing tri guys, I only do it when they take the first punch. Usually it happens on a group ride when they decide to pull through at a 15-20% faster pace than the group. My roadie friends and I just look at each other and say, "he asked for it" and jack it up with some surges and attacks. Of course, that is all in good fun on a training ride.
|I like it when||grandemamou|
May 2, 2002 11:25 AM
|the triathletes show up for group rides. They still haven't figured out that we are only taking 1-2 min pulls. The ones around here get on the front and stay there for 5-10 mins. They usually fall OTB after their second rotation but it's great while it lasts.|
|abusing the tri guys||SnowBlind|
May 2, 2002 2:06 PM
|Most of the tri's around here are gals, so I am nice to them, and I am loathe to pass them in most cases. =)
But I will take my turn at the front.
|not the 'tri guys'||SteveO|
May 3, 2002 5:47 AM
|you guys are funny.|
|You're not alone...||eschelon|
May 2, 2002 10:02 AM
|but like many of the guys here said...it is unwise to get off of your training objective for that day just to ease your pride and ego. Everyone's daily training objectives is different. I hate being passed too...but if I really want to be able to hammer on the hard days, I really have to ease off on the base miles days.|
|I admit that it's hard sometimes to let someone pass, but you||bill|
May 2, 2002 10:05 AM
|know that Grzy is right. |
I try to give myself a ride every once in a while where I go out just to have fun -- go fast when I want, go slow when I want, chase somebody or not, but it really shouldn't be any more than once a week, or I'm not training. I'm still doing most of my training indoors, because it's a more controlled environment (and because I need to get kiddies ready for school in the morning and can't be frolicking in the morning dew, but that's another story), with fewer distractions such as "can I catch that guy."
The more I do this, I am trying to decide at least the night before what I'm going to be doing (judging by what I feel needs work, how my legs feel, how much time I have, what I might be doing the rest of the week or next week, the weather, etc.). I'm heading to the point where I actually may sit down with A FRIGGING PLAN like Joe Friel says, but that will require dual personalities and undoubtedly will cause a system breakdown.
|not any more||terry b|
May 2, 2002 10:07 AM
|These days I really don't care, I'd much rather accept the fact that there is always going to be someone faster than I am and just enjoy whatever ride I've planned. Let them think they're in the TdF, it's always nice to make someones day.
However, I do get irritated when someone blows by me, gets 50 yards out in front and then slows down to equal or less than what I've been riding. Had this happen last week, some guy in a full tuck blows by me at 23 or so (I'm cruising at 20) and then slowly falls back to where I'm sitting on his wheel. He suddenly wakes up, speeds up and we start the cycle again, this time throwing in another guy on a new Ottrot who clearly did not want to be passed.
This behavior irritates me even more when I'm driving in the middle of nowhere on an interstate.
|I hope that guy isn't me||elviento|
May 2, 2002 10:21 AM
|But when I pass someone I try to do it a bit faster than my normal speed, because it's safer (less time with two bikes side by side), less likely to cause confrontation, less likely to be considered an annoying wheel sucker, etc.
That said, I think the rider's body language is a better indicator of competitiveness than the speed he passes you at.
|I do the same thing||terry b|
May 2, 2002 1:15 PM
|that is try to speed up a bit when passing. however, if someone comes out of nowhere from behind, blows by you and then kicks back after they've passed you, you've got to wonder what they were thinking in the first place. chances are, they weren't thinking about you at all.|
|did you think that maybe, just maybe, your tormentor could give||bill|
May 2, 2002 10:22 AM
|a sh*t about what you're doing but, while you're sitting on his wheel stewing, is simply trying to remember whether Joe Friel told him he can recover for ninety seconds or three minutes between intervals? |
I don't mean to sound preachy, and, believe me, I have the same problems as you do, but, you know, it's not always about me or you.
|understand and agree completely||terry b|
May 2, 2002 1:13 PM
|but then we are talking about irrational feelings. in the example I gave, the guy actually slammed on his brakes after about 2 miles of this, jumped off his bike and pushed the button on his stopwatch. my guess is that he was timing himself between two points and truly was oblivious to my presence. he probably slowed down in front of me because he was having a lapse in what was clearly an all out effort.
truthfully, it's rarely about you or me - but then I do wish people would be more consistent. I've had the opposite experience too - I catch someone when I'm hammering, pass them only to have them speed up, go by me, get in front and then return to the speed they were going.
as my lovely wife is wont to say - "it's pretty hard being a guy, isn't it?"
|re: I'm so happy to see a fellow rider I don't care.||dzrider|
May 2, 2002 10:33 AM
|I only encounter road riders going in the same direction a few times a year. I try to catch up in hopes that we'll work together for a while, sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. My competitive spirit has weakened with the unfortunate decline in testosterone that comes with aging.|
|I've disciplined myself to stick with my plan regardless||greg n|
May 2, 2002 10:39 AM
|It's very hard at times, believe me, to hold back and not go "beat up" on someone if I have an aerobic or recovery day.
What gets me though is when I'm out with my wife, going at her pace. And some guy in cut-offs, riding a rusty Schwinn from 1975 with a wobbly rear wheel passes us. My wife always just looks at me and says "It's killing you, isn't it?"
|Man, I hate getting passed when I'm on the stationary bike......||Poulidor|
May 2, 2002 10:44 AM
May 2, 2002 10:50 AM
|Sometimes it bothers me when I get passed and sometimes not. Most of the time I don't stick to my own training ride and end up riding harder than I planned, just because I'm feeling good that day. So I do it to my self.
Generally, if I see somebody a distance in front of me I will try a little harder to catch them, it's motivation for me on the bike. If I can see there is no way I'm even going to get close I don't really try. I have a very competitive spirit on the bike and it can get in the way some times.
What I think is funny though is when I pass somebody else and they try to stick on my wheel. When I see this happen I try and pick it up to drop them or make then work very hard to stay up, which for me leads to a better work out most of the time.
I'm sure people get a little miffed with me from time to time when I'm doing shorter hill sprints. I'll go flying by them on a hill only to be blown apart at the top, until I get to the next hill only to do it again. This leads to a little yo-yo riding between riders sometimes.
|re: Being passed on training rides--Is it just me or...||DrSchu|
May 2, 2002 12:03 PM
|where I train, if I'm riding alone, many times another rider will catch me and ask if we can train together...sometimes we'll pick up several other riders along the way...maybe we're all short on testosterone, or just long on wisdom.|
|Usually no until this time..........||getoffmywheel|
May 2, 2002 12:15 PM
|However, I remember in the middle of February riding at a low heart rate, just spinning it out getting early miles in. Behold a couple of hardass on mountain bikes riding hard up on me and pass (no slant I race mtbs). It was one of those days when it's 40 degrees and sunny in February and people come out. We said hello. I could hear them ahead saying what a "poseuer" I was for having a nice rig with no legs when they were further up. We met again two weeks ago, and I was polite again. They couldn't hang on my wheel for more than 10 minutes on their road bikes, I could tell they were suffering. I think what we are dealing with here are what others think when they pass us. "Hey, I passed a guy on a $5,000 bike." You guys know who you are who say this and remember, it doesn't mean shit unless it's a closed race event, enough said.|
|Personally, I usually don't mind.||Quack|
May 2, 2002 12:39 PM
|Being passed used to kill my ego when I was 20. Now that I am 32, I've figured out that I'll never be the world's fastest cyclist. It only took me about 15 years. Now if I get passed on a ride, I usually just look the person over after they've gone by and decide if they truly are a better rider than me. I look at their riding style, their bike, and whether or not they said anything as they passed.
As for style, someone who is smooth as silk pedaling at 18MPH is much more impressive to me than someone doing 27MPH with rocking hips carving a wobbly line down the road unable to speak as he passes for fear he might miss a breath and pass out. As for the bike, I mainly just take a glance at it and listen as they pass. If they pass by like a whisper on a bike that has obviously seen thousands of miles of use, I assume that they are a serious cyclist. Especially if their bike has a mix of Campy and Shimano and they are running unmatched rims with different tires.
If some guy blows by me shaking all over the place and doesn't say a word, I usually just write them off as a testosterone filled novice and continue about my business. But occasionally for fun, I will let them get about 50-100 yards out front at the point where they relax a bit and then close the gap and try to start up a conversation. They more often than not will be out of breath and unable to speak clearly which fills my ego tank right back up again.
|Personally, I usually don't mind.||SnowBlind|
May 2, 2002 2:09 PM
|Hey! be nice, I am just doing Max O2 intervals...
Yeah that's my story and I am sticking to it.
|I guess I think differently||salmonwheel|
May 2, 2002 12:54 PM
|What's up with the get over your insecurity responses. I don't know I chase down people that passed me or I speed up sometimes. I know there are faster riders, but its fun, and a bit instinctive. I sometimes let people go way ahead, or see someone way ahead then try and chase them down. I'm not so into my training (no important races in my future) that I can't use a diversion now and then, like chasing the rabbit sometimes I catch them sometimes I don't. That said I approach it in a way that I don't annoy anyone else; they don't even notice. My daughter and I were out on our single speed tandem the other day, and we saw a couple about a half mile in front of us. We decided to see if we could catch up to them, we did and passed them. They had no idea they were part of our imaginary race, and we had fun. It had nothing to do with the size of my ...forget it |
Do you all really think that by speeding up we are proving that we are a faster rider than the other person. They could have been on a ten mile ride while you were on the last ten of a 60 mile ride or whatever. There are so many other variables besides ability that determine speed at a specific point in time, and we all know this. There's some basic psychology about being passed. Two weeks ago I was riding home on my squeaky ten speed (2 X 5 that is) wearing pleated slacks and loafers (forgot to change into my sneakers) and came upon a trio of cyclists with nice bikes and team jerseys. Anyway they were going slower than me, but I felt a little weird passing them. I was running late and had to pedal all out for my 8 mile commute while Im sure they had more ambitious goals for the short and long term.
I often get the feeling I don't have the same competitive spirit as others on this site with regards to my cycling.
May 2, 2002 12:55 PM
|While the dog is tempted to chase every rabbit, people should have more discipline. Right?|
|Right, just chase the big ones ; )||salmonwheel|
May 2, 2002 1:12 PM
|You're point is taken; I didn't specify the intervals of occurrence. I don't chase every rabbit, and most cylists who are the least bit serious don't either, I assume. These are just diversions sometimes. I try and stick to what I'm doing and what's best for me, I won't chase any rabbits 10 miles into a 90 mile ride, at least not for very long or if it would lessen the effectiveness of my training. I find varying my training and my speeds on my training rides is helpful and doing it in a less controlled method is useful for training ( but again only occasionally). Using something to help me perform helps sometime. Admittedly, I do not have the discipline or attention span of elite athletes, and sometimes need to trick myself into pushing harder than I might normally, usually with head games, but I'm opportunistic. Part of why I cycle is because it's fun, and because it's fun it allows me to stay fit, compete, and be somewhat consistent. |
I am disciplined enough to let others pass me without needing to react. What I have a harder time with is going easy on my easy days, it takes constant reminding ("Easy boy good dog")
|maybe a leash?||DougSloan|
May 2, 2002 1:21 PM
|A heart rate monitor with an upper limit alarm works well. "Easy boy," it tells you.
I know the temptation is there. Heck, I feel my legs automatically tense up just seeing another rider on the road, even going the other way.
Part of the problem, also, is going on rides with no pre-determined plan. Then, it's sort of up in the air what you will do, and a little "race" here or there fits right in. "If fail to plan, you plan to fail," or something like that.
If you do some really hard group rides a few times a week, that might take the pressure off to race other times.
|I notice this..||dotkaye|
May 2, 2002 2:31 PM
|as a tri-geek, "real cyclists" just hate it if I pass them.. One standard lunchtime ride is 20 miles as hard as I can go, I'm continually passing guys JRA, a significant number of them will immediately work up a sprint to get back by me. Sprinting isn't part of my plan, so I let them have the satisfaction..|
May 2, 2002 3:25 PM
|As soon as you are passed, slow down quickly and stop, pretend to look for thorn or something in the rear tire.
This gives you a great excuse not to chase and if the dude looks back and sees you examining your tire he'll never know how badly you could have smoked him.
|I live for that ...||Humma Hah|
May 2, 2002 4:02 PM
|Either getting passed when on a ride, or seeing someone ahead that I think I can catch ... either one begs me to do my best.
I'd learn not to if I were a racer. I've definitely noticed that a few miles of "chasing rabbits" will leave me noticably drained the following day.
But I'm not a racer, and any time I'm inspired to do my best is great exercise and great fun. Bring 'em on!
|I will not be passed! (nm)||SingleThreaded|
May 2, 2002 6:29 PM
May 3, 2002 4:18 AM
|Like a hound and a hare, its a natural reaction to chase and destroy. I do a lot of my riding commuting, and a lot of that is on the bike trail. Riding the same route a lot can (dare I say it) get a little boring. Racing someone on the route can jazz it up and be a great way to push yourself. Big caviat is not to get reckless in the lust for victory. I have seen guys blow thru stops causing stunned motorists to jam on the brakes. That's the time to drop off and find a new playmate. Sometimes, I am not interested. One day last week a guy passes me and looks around to see if I am chasing. I'm not playing today, so he slows down till I approach at my constant pace and then hammers away from me. This goes on several times, all the time I am keeping a constant speed and candence, ignoring the guy. Hope he had fun.|
|That's entertainment, yessir||rwbadley|
May 3, 2002 9:47 AM
|My Son and I did alot of tandem riding for several years, before he outgrew it. (now he just wants to drive car)
There was a time we were pretty well trained on our vintage Paramount tandem. This bike rocks, black shiny thing with fenders, straps and luggage rack.. A real sleeper,set up to be much faster than it looked.
In our street shorts and t-shirts we would set out for training rides.
One day we saw a rabbit ahead of us. Normally the kid would put the juice to it and we would reel 'em in.
Not this time, we went at 90% for miles, up climbs,descents etc.. Really hauling a$$.
We finally caught our quarry. Chatted a bit and took off down a long grade with tailwind. We're pulling about 45mph, Get to the bottom, no rider behind. we cruise at 20 for a bit. My Son is talking trash about how we left the guy, and I am not so sure.
Suddenly our rabbit blows by us like we're tied to a stump.
The kid and I catch him. This guy is pulling 25-27 in the flats! We take turns for a bit. After several miles, near the point of blowing up, we casually claim 'our turnoff' up ahead, pull off and die.
What fun!, The kid still brings up 'that guy' occasionally.
Face it guys and gals, we are competetive by nature in our sport. I do not attempt or want to make a game of every ride, but there is real entertainment value to be had in a little safe and sane sportsmanship!
Enjoy the ride!
|Practise control! :)||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
May 3, 2002 3:41 PM
|I'm a sprinter and 90% of the guys I can whoop when it comes to a sprint. But being a sprinter I have to do easy sub-aerobic rides (least this was all true before my crash) so I just relax and know they may very well be pushing a different training zone. Thats my take on things. How do you know the guys heartrate who passed you? He could very well be anaroebic!!!
Riding force behind his own comeback after a terrible crash and his teams website, PodiumBound.ca. The crash can be viewed at http://www.podiumbound.ca/video/crash.avi