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And the envelope please(17 posts)

And the envelope pleaseMcAndrus
May 2, 2002 5:23 AM
The final selections for the TdF are in No Cipollini (too bad) and no Pantani (who cares?) but it looks like Saeco made it and Simoni will get a chance to show us that his legs can be as good as his mouth.
I'd like to have seen Pantani chase Lance up the mountainsslow-ron
May 2, 2002 5:33 AM
Once again: great for France bad for cycling fans.Sintesi
May 2, 2002 5:56 AM
I can't believe the guy who won the Vuelta cannot get a selection in the TdF! That's a no brainer.

Actually I take that back, not only do I believe I should have expected it. It's a French race, regardless of its international status and they need local sponsors otherwise the race won't work in that country.

The problem is the sport itself needs superstars. Say what you want about Pantani, but he made the 2000 TdF worth watching. That was a great duel in the alps until he exploded on a suicide breakaway. He was a great nemesis. Mario is the most spectacular racer in the last 10 years or so. Fun to watch and and a winner. It's even fun to hate these guys. I think its just sad for the fans when they know the race could be even better. Blame it on the poor state of affairs w/ French cycling. The only way this problem will be solved is when French teams start busting out of Div II again and start breaking into the top 15.
Too bad aboutgrandemamou
May 2, 2002 6:02 AM
Chipo. I don't think Zabel would have done as well with Chipo in the mix. He's getting kind of long in the tooth but he still has it.

Pantani is another matter. I was a big Pantani fan. But it's getting kind of old. Every year he "recomits" him self to getting into top form and DNF's just about every major event.
hows everyone health, i dont want to hear any excusesishmael
May 2, 2002 6:11 AM
wasnt simoni injured not long ago, and i think telecom jan was hurt too wasnt he...someone has to make it a contest this year, im getting sick of lance, come on simoni!
hows everyone health, i dont want to hear any excusesatpjunkie
May 2, 2002 7:11 AM
French homerism once again. Would like to have seen Cippo battle Zabel for the green and Lance for top # of tour stage victories (they are tied) by active cyclists. Personally I think Pantani is done, I don't think he can or could be competitive w/out dope. It puts a dark cloud over his Giro/Tour sweep as since proper EPO testing has been around he's either been busted (thrice) or DNF. We'll see Simoni's form in the Giro, I don't think he can beat Lance
(I don't think anyone has the toughness or the preparation). Jan has to be psyched out completely now and his size hurts him in the hills (he's about 20 lbs heavier than Lance). Keep an eye on Levi Leipheimer (formerly USPS now Rabobank) and Sevilla, it's going to take someone young but I think Lance has the all time record in his sights and I don't think anyone can stop him. (Eddy agrees)
Cipo drops out after the first weekAlpedhuez55
May 2, 2002 8:28 AM
Mario drops out as soon as he sees a mountain. He is having a good year but he would never make the effort to strugle over the mountains to compete for the Green Jersey. May may have made the first week a little more interesting but that would have been about it. If he had struggled over the mountains to battle for the Green Jersey in recent years I think he would have made the tour the last two years.
I've always wondered...velofelo
May 2, 2002 8:42 AM
how the sprinters who dominate in the first week could just drop out so nonchalantly when the hills get tough. Did they expect to maintain that kind of riding throughout the tour? Nobody expects them to. In fact, everyone expects them to lose a lot of time. I think a greater accomplishment is actually finishing the tour and being able to say, "I did it!" Plus, there is always the chance of winning the sprint on the Champs-Elysees and attaining the glory once again!
I think your absolutely right.Sintesi
May 2, 2002 9:28 AM
Leblanc thinks he's too much the showboat and disrespects the Tour by never attempting to complete it. Mario could do it too, just like he does in the Giro, but he always wusses out in the mountains. The guy is all about getting his name in the papers and, of course, winning.
But wouldn't the Zebras be coolMcAndrus
May 3, 2002 4:12 AM
You're right that Cipo would drop out after the first week but wouldn't it be cool to see the new Zebra Train rolling out the last few kilometers?
Too bad for Big Matmr_spin
May 2, 2002 7:20 AM
They won't get a chance to stink up the roads of France again this year.
help a neophyte...Abol98
May 2, 2002 7:29 AM
I'm just confused... the release says Saeco gets in thanks to Simoni's win at the '01 Giro... but wasn't he with Lampre last year? If the individual carries that much weight, than why wouldn't Coast get in with Angel (Vuelta) and Alex Zulle? Go ahead and hit me with a pedal wrench if this is a dumb question....
help a neophyte...grandemamou
May 2, 2002 7:53 AM
Because Coast is a German team, Angel is Spanish and Zulle is Swiss. If any of the above were French they would be a shoe in.

I understand the reasoning behind so many French teams in the Tour. They are more likely to go on the attack to get TV time for sponsors. But, I still don't like it.
because its craplnin0
May 2, 2002 10:12 AM
I HATE THE FRENCH and their Tour de Suckass

How could you not include COAST?
because its crap.... Mario and Coastatpjunkie
May 2, 2002 1:12 PM
True about Mario, he is less than super when it comes to climbing and you are right about him dropping in the hills. It's funny with this years course he would have made it to the last week. He could finish, as he does in the Giro so it is a question of wanting, and that does justify the tours decision to not include him. Coast, like last year got freaking robbed. Yes a German Team with non French riders got screwed by French Homerism once again. It turns the worlds most elite race into a farce by not inviting the best. We should all go over en masse and write all over the roads in every language but French.

Q: Why are there so many trees on the Champs d'Elysses?
A: So the Germans (and now Lance) can take their parade in the shade.
May 2, 2002 3:26 PM
Individual GC contenders do carry that kind of weight and the Giro obviously carries more weight than the Vuelta. Lampre is in w/or without Simoni as they had a good spring (the tour takes the Classics into account...unless you are American (Mercury Viatel 2001) or German. I think the French have it in for the Germans as only 1 team gets selected and Italy gets 6 and France 5. Personally
Italy is well represented and it's funny Saeco qualifies the year Mario jumps ship. It's actually a pretty good selection as the wild cards included Bonjour (who held the Yellow for quite a while), Credit Agricole (did real well last year), Francaise de Jeux and AG2R who are both good teams. The homersim isn't as high as last year for sure. As for the Italians, neither Mercatone Uno (Elefantino) nor Acqua Sapone (mario) are better teams than the ones selected. But Coast was robbed, like Viatel last year.
re: And the envelope pleaset-bill
May 2, 2002 7:39 AM
It's too bad Coast didn't make it. Zulle and Casero deserve to be there. I don't believe the crap about local sponsors. A better race will bring in the sponsors, not half-assed French teams with no chance to compete.