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I await your shame!(15 posts)

I await your shame!pinarello
May 1, 2002 11:23 AM
Just this week I decided to do something that I could of only drempt of having when I was a young boy growing up. My son who has grown in size by leaps and bounds was given the title to a one year old Pinarello Prince. Yes my 13 yr old son will be the proud owner of a slightly used Prince. I would only venture to say I see more potential in this boy who has out grown a 56cm bike then investing into myself. He currently rides over 2k in a year and enjoy's riding with the club. What do I ride you ask. A 20 year old Colnago that was my wana be ride when I was just graduating. Shame me blame me and call me what you want but don't you think your riding would of been better today had you had the support of your father. Just call me dad!
Does that make your son "The Little (Pinarello) Prince"? (NM)Gregory Taylor
May 1, 2002 11:26 AM
We've become our parent.Len J
May 1, 2002 11:26 AM
Every one of our parents prime goals was that thier children would have it better than they did. Well you've succeeded!

Congratulations!, Good Job

Len

PS. of course if he's outgrown a 56cm bike at the age of 13 you will probably get the bike bake in a year or so when he outgrows this one.!
are you interested in adopting a 32 year old?(nm)merckx56
May 1, 2002 11:39 AM
All right, shame on you.Sintesi
May 1, 2002 11:48 AM
What is a 13 year old doing on a Prince? It is a little ridiculous don't you think? This purchase is not going to make him one iota better. His friends (if they know what a Prince is) are going to think he's spoiled brat and they'd probably be right.

Your kid doesn't have to ride Huffys but c'mon a little sense of proportion here.

My .02
what are we supposed to be ashamed of?Qubeley
May 1, 2002 2:12 PM
Congratulation, you have a very talented son.
I understand how parents who have rough childhood themselves try to make life as sweet as possible for their children.
But, I do agree with the previous post, no matter how good your son rides, it is ridiculous for a 13 year old to ride a $3000 dollar bike. Call me jealous if you wish(I actually am a little jealous). Do not spoil a kid, making him aware of brand names so early does absolutely no good. The cycling world is snobbish enough already, I certainly do not want to see a talented rider with poor characters.
It is definitely a good thing if you can handle the situation well, and make the Prince a good sweet memory for you son. Just don't let you son focus on the bikes and overlook the great fellow riders around them on lower end bikes.
A fathers reply= long reply. Thanks!pinarello
May 1, 2002 4:53 PM
I expected some shame from some maybe all. I don't tend to push my son, he has become his own little man in big shoes. The Pin is a size 60 and the price was below 1500. Frame that is. We will swap out the components (Veloce) onto this for now. I feel fortunate that my son has not brought on any problems to this family. We as a family all bike. We all have the choice to either participate or not. I do not push my son to little league baseball, in fact he doesn't like it, he chose not to play, he does play basket ball and says he plays for fun. After being picked up by his All Star Team it was hard to enstill the fact that it is now not so much for fun but respect. Respect to the peers that picked him. Too many fathers are trying to live there life through their sons and daughters. I was no bicyclest in my day, am not one now and ride to only enjoy and challege as I see fit. The only shoe's this kid has to fill is his own (dang things are size 15). Yes I support him with his cycling, one reason is his asthma, I felt this was one way we could get him off the dependence of drugs. It has worked so far. I don't coach him but others in the club agree also that my son has great potential. He has out grown a bike we bought USED 2 yrs ago on E-Bay for 600.00. He has not become a brand junkie. It was a good point and I can agree that bicycling is a snobbish sport, I have been out there and my down tube shifters don't look to cool along side the new bikes. He does not flaunt, and far from stuck up or snobbish, and far from looking down on some one because his bike is better. I think he is totally oppsite but can understand your point. I don't wish him to become that kind of a person and if that was the case his world would change in a moment. I feel as kids become older the rules and regulations must change and by 18 the kid has a key to his total freedome. Right now he volunteers and donates his time to help the club with their functions. I think it would hurt him most if we decided not to ride, socialize etc. with this club. He has even gone back to his old school to help with setting up their fair and other organized events that need assistance. He is also a Boy Scout that will be working for his Eagle Scout some day soon. I never seen a kid so level headed but believe me he has his flaws. He has no friends in school that ride bicycles at this level. I know it is hard sometimes for one to substantiate one self. But I know my family did not have the resources to do this for me when I was growing up. Both the wife and I are very frugal if not cheap at times but when it comes to the kid I guess it is a different story. He has the bigger, faster computer. Why do I need speed. Why do I need so much memory. It can go on and on. He was diagnosed as ADD years ago. This year we were called up by the school, brought into a meeting and told that he made Honor Role and with the parents permission could be dismissed from his ADD class. We both had a blank expression on our face after hearing that. The years before were hell! I could of got more out of talking to my hand. The one teacher that tought the ADD class came over and said I have never seen a kid that had the big picture at this age. I question her, what do you mean? He know's what he wants to be and how he is going to get there. The other teachers put fact to that by saying maybe 10% of the student body at that age has any clue. You see This is why I put up this post today. Parents don't live your life through your kid, If the kid has a dream support it if it makes sense. At what expense, well you are the kids best judge. Spoiling does enter the field some times. I see so many kids, that are so screwed up. But we are not the molders of parents but of our kids. Sacrifice for your kid and they will remember, show them that you care! I just hope I can be there for him when he decides what college he has chosen. I thank you all for keeping me sane. I sometimes need a reality check and this
hey, dad, I think it's great ...bianchi boy
May 1, 2002 6:42 PM
I say if your kid is really into cycling, and it helps with his asthma and school, more power to him. I wish my dad had done something like that for me -- even a Trek or Specialized would have been nice. Just make sure he keeps the bike in good working order and is careful not to leave it laying around -- teenagers have a way of losing, wrecking or getting things stolen.
Thanks for nutten Popshank
May 1, 2002 7:24 PM
I could have been a "graet one" if it were not for my dad not pushing me. I swear!
A fathers reply= long reply. Thanks!Franchise
May 1, 2002 9:26 PM
Good for you! You remind me a lot of my father. He grew up with very few resources and he now has the ability to send me to law school and medical school. I have worked part time all though undergrad, and I am currently the proud owner of a Pinarello Prince/chorus and daytona 10spd, and a Colnago CT-1(chorus 10spd). I worked to raise the funds for these rides, and although my father didn't pay for them, he did encourage me to be the best I could be and to try and get the best equipment I could find for my available resources.

Hearing the story of you and your son was touching. I hope to be in the same position for my son when I one day have children. I could go on forever, but I will close just by letting you know that giving your son better things than you were accustomed to is admirable. Also, I think that you have already learned the lesson that your family is your legacy. They let you live forever in their hearts and memories. I doubt your son will ever forget his first "Pinarello." Who knows? Maybe he'll be fortunate enough to go pro!

Way to go!
You have set up the choice as between buying your kid a $3K bikebill
May 2, 2002 6:27 AM
and not supporting him. With all due respect, I don't think that's the choice. You can support your kid with a more modest bike. A lot more modest bike. And then maybe he'll come to appreciate the hard work that goes into buying a $3K bike.
Look, you've got a teenager, I don't (I have two little ones, 4 and 8, and I have to believe that the challenges get more difficult the older the kids get, because they have every step until now, why would it stop here?), so I realize the limitations of my own wisdom on this subject. But, c'mon, he's thirteen. He has a bike most guys on this board would salivate over, and he may be a good or even a great rider, but, HE'S THIRTEEN. I'm sure you're going to tell me that he respects what he has, and maybe at some level, much of the time, he does, but HE'S THIRTEEN. You learn something by getting older, and he ain't there yet.
Riding the sh*t out of a $400 bike is character. Getting your dad to buy you a world-class, top-of-the-line, pro-level bike is not the lack of character, but it may be a missed opportunity.
There's sacrificing and there's really sacrificing though!ColnagoFE
May 2, 2002 9:34 AM
I mean why not make him ride the 20 year old Colnago? Or buy him something that won't make you weep when he crashes it in a crit? Everyone sacrifices for kids, but the kids shouldn't ride better stuff than you do (not that that Colnago isn't likely a nice ride too)!
Risk, Reward, and Consequencespinarello
May 2, 2002 12:13 PM
First off the Kid did ride on that Colnago, 2 and a half years ago. I was ridding a 10yr old Masi at the time that got into a wreck last year. Yes it had down tube shifters also. Since that time he then rode on a Rossin for two years, the one we bought for 600.oo. He has been everything to that bike. He has a beater bike that he can play in the neighborhood or with other kids but knows better then to bring his good bike out for anything other then club rides or with mom and dad. Now he is over 6ft tall. I don't weep when he crashes. I make sure he is ok. It obvious that you are very materialistic and the bike is the only concern. We all crash, he has crashed, I have crashed, the wife has crashed! This bike just came along and thanks the this review It and I found each other. If I had to pay full retail or buy a 2002 this would not of happen but size was a factor. 60cm bikes are not always that common.
But lets get beyond the fact of materialism. Kids today are very mischievous, face it if you don't have some kind of story from your childhood about what you did in this manner then I salute you. The more I can keep this kids energy focus on good things in life, sports, scouts, being a devoted citizen to his community, club, and God then the pay off is all rewards and risk has payed off. Is this some kind of tease, No. I have told my son if the bike we bought (Rossin) does not get ridden, if he looses interest, we will sell it. Just a promisses made by his parents. Does he need to meet a mileage program. No. Believe me he wanted basket ball to end so fast so he could be out on his bike. Did he flinch when I asked him if he would like to go on vacation in Colorado to do the Ride the Rockies. No he only asked daily if the news of being picked in the Lottery had arrived. Was he disappointed when the sorry letter came. Big time. Maturity is not always in the eye of the beholder but in the observer. Mr Bob above needs to get beyond the age of 13. It's just a gauge and age is no math formula for maturity. The fact is teachers, co-club riders and parents think beyond your 13 and we inspire success. But you know, I should of sent him off to some Ice Skating school, bought him a car. I chose the different route. Buy him the best USED skates money can buy and see what happens. I can always sell the bike but the school, Not. It's like Lance, He out there on his butt working. What are you doing griping about some 13 year old kid that may ask you how your doing some day. The more you write the better I feel about this decision. I not ashamed. I think his reward was merrited. Life has its challenges then there are Parents. Reward success. Enforce the Positives. Be the best you can be to you kid and someday it may reward you, this bike was my decision not his he did not ask for a bike, We lifted his post to the safest height and he still was not fitting right. This is not a decision decided on return on capital. I listen to my kid, I talk to my kid, I love my kid for what he is and someday if this keeps him out of trouble water I will know then that day will reward me ten fold. Dad
You talk of many things that would reward your kid legitimatelybill
May 2, 2002 12:27 PM
and generously for his good works, like listening to him, like taking him for rides, like spending time with him, etc. What does buying him a pro-level bike (let's face it, a bike pricier than a lot of pros ride) have to do with anything other than YOUR materialism?
"He's a good kid, buy him the best money can buy."
This is not a logical syllogism to me, and it sends the wrong message.
You asked.
You talk of many things that would reward your kid legitimatelyatpjunkie
May 2, 2002 1:16 PM
what the hell if he got a good deal good on him. If I can stoke my kid out like that I'd do it, but I'd make him earn it as well. Make him do extra chores and clean your bike and stuff.