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The Riddle of Steel.(28 posts)

The Riddle of Steel.Pack Meat
Apr 30, 2002 8:34 AM
What is the riddle of steel? An argument on the racing board got me to thinking about the riddle of steel and how it is taken into a new dimension when applied to cycling.

Strangley it's not a question of frame material but a more deeply philosphical question. It's a question that if you can not answer it Crom will cast you out of Vahallia and laugh at you, that is Crom.
put down the bong and step away!(nm)merckx56
Apr 30, 2002 8:43 AM
Huh? Give this man oxygen, STAT :-) nmDougSloan
Apr 30, 2002 9:24 AM
When did you land? NMJackBQuick
Apr 30, 2002 9:50 AM
?????????? (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 30, 2002 10:02 AM
"I have never prayed to you before, I have no tongue for it"Shad
Apr 30, 2002 10:07 AM
"Grant me revenge, or to hell with you!"

Now pass the bong...
Now that Thulsa Doom could sprint... nmShad
Apr 30, 2002 10:12 AM
"What good is Steel without the hand that wields it!"mr_spin
Apr 30, 2002 10:31 AM
Valhalla??MVN
Apr 30, 2002 10:35 AM
I thought Valhalla was the Norse idea of heaven, not the Cimmerians.
No one in this world can you trust.PsyDoc
Apr 30, 2002 10:41 AM
"No one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts," his father says, pointing to the sword (or bicycle). "But this...this you can trust."
"That's some chronic shtank bud dude!" nmNo_sprint
Apr 30, 2002 10:48 AM
Yes boy, shall I tell you? It is the least I can do.Pack Meat
Apr 30, 2002 11:31 AM
Steel is strong but flesh is stronger. What is the power of the sword compared to the hand that wields it?........ Contemplate this on the tree of woe.
Someone slipped something in your soda dude (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 30, 2002 11:52 AM
"Tree of woe", I know it all too wellShad
Apr 30, 2002 12:09 PM
Perhaps a new Liggittism... "He's really on the tree of woe now Paul."
Can anyone explain what the hell this thread is all about?tz
Apr 30, 2002 11:33 AM
Who is Crom? What is Vahallia? Have I missed some very important movie/book? If yes, which one?
Let me try to help here.Pack Meat
Apr 30, 2002 11:48 AM
Yes you must have missed one of the finest movies ever made and absolutely Arnould Schwartneger's (sp) finest, Conan the Barbarian. I know on the surface it looks like a simple early to mid 80's sword and fantasy movie but it really has some good points.

The point here goes to the core of the debate between whether racing and riding is about man or machine. Should you upgrade to lighter components or lose weight off your gut? Should you get more aero wheels or train harder. All of the lementing over the looks of a bike says nothing to it's function and use because it is nothing and useless without the rider.

Now go rent the movie and pack another hit.
What's the rest of that line?Turtleherder
Apr 30, 2002 12:34 PM
Conan, great movie. The line starts "drive your enemies before you....? So what do you think of that other classic Army of Darkness?
What's the rest of that line?Pack Meat
Apr 30, 2002 12:55 PM
Careful... people will tell us to go into the non-cycling discussion room and it's boring in there.

What is best in life?
Fleet horse falcon at your breast and the wind in your hair.
Wrong! Conan what is best in life?
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
My Favorite Line of Army of Darkness...PsyDoc
May 2, 2002 1:24 PM
"Well hello Mr. Fancy-pants. I got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things right now. Jack and shit... and Jack left town."
It's perhaps a cultural thing...Tom C
Apr 30, 2002 7:30 PM
look at Richard Sachs website and he makes a clear distinction between Americans and Europeans. That is that Americans are drawn to equipment and Europeans to training. There are of course individual exceptions but in the land of too much disposible income I think there is more than a grain of truth to his observation.
You're may be right.EpicX
May 1, 2002 8:34 AM
A coworker's friend spends a lot of time riding in Europe and has commented about how he will get toasted by people on "crappy" bikes all the time. Maybe that's part of the reason Euro's still dominate cycling. It's not about the bike (much)...
What does...Jekyll
May 1, 2002 9:16 AM
"too much disposable income" mean? Who the hell decides what level of "disposable income" is too much? You? What would Crom say?
my dear departed Grandmother ....Tom C
May 1, 2002 12:42 PM
had a succinct way of putting it. Too much is when, "it burns a hole in your pocket." Actually though means and willingness to spend those means are two different things. Even though I have the means to buy a fleet of Odonatas or whatever is the trinket of the day to have, I have little willingness. Don't get me wrong, I have raced and still do at 50 now about 9-10000 miles per year but well I love coffee too but I wouldn't give Starbucks 5 bucks for a cup either, at least not a second time. I think "too much disposible income" must be, as a practice, a noveau riche thing.
Don't forget the books (Robert E. Howard) nmStampertje
May 1, 2002 8:33 AM
Can anyone explain what the hell this thread is all about?KurtVF
Apr 30, 2002 4:07 PM
"Steel is strong, but flesh is stronger!"-Thulsa Doom (played by James Earl Jones) Go see the flick and you will understand.
If you get the DVD make sure it is the Special Edition.Empirion75
Apr 30, 2002 1:28 PM
The Conan DVD that is.
re: The Riddle of Steel.EpicX
Apr 30, 2002 4:48 PM
they can't get past the hack -n- slash aspect. for arnold, its been downhill ever since. also one of the best soundtracks ever. try it next time you're on the trainer. you'll get a great workout.

"There comes a time, thief, when the jewels cease to sparkle, when the gold loses its luster, when the throneroom becomes a prison, and all that is left is a father's love for his child"

Conan DVD Review - This is why people love this movie
Flesh.... Flesh is stronger than steel...... nmlongfellow68
May 1, 2002 3:45 AM