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top speeds in late 1800's were fast=mile in 1:35:40 or 38mph(22 posts)

top speeds in late 1800's were fast=mile in 1:35:40 or 38mphishmael
Apr 29, 2002 7:38 PM
im sneaking in an essay on the history of the bicycle for my city history class and these are the amazing speeds of 1898- the hour record= 32 and two thirds of a mile
the mile= 1:35:40 or an average of 38 miles per hour....
these speeds are amazing concidering they were riding on the first safety style frames with clothes that looked better suited to golf. If i had the ability and the outfit and the bike id like to show up at one of these newfangled timetrials in my late 1800's gear and show'em how it's really done
Sundials were not very accurate back then.firstrax
Apr 29, 2002 9:09 PM
hmmmyeah right
Apr 30, 2002 1:43 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Arnaud Tournant, world champion in the 1km tt, can do 1000m in right around a minute (little less, on ocasion). A mile is pretty close to 1600m so lets say the time would be 1.6 x 1 min = 1.36 minutes, between 37-38mph. If the mile you quote was from a stand, that's pretty impressive.
its trueishmael
Apr 30, 2002 4:48 AM
"The "Worcester Whirlwind" continued to win races nonetheless and set a 1-mile record in 1898 at age 19, clocking 1 minute, 41.4 seconds, paced, from a standing start."...i pulled this off the web, which isnt the most reliable source, but i believe it
"paced"??DougSloan
Apr 30, 2002 6:37 AM
Doesn't "paced" mean drafting?
"paced"??ishmael
Apr 30, 2002 8:38 AM
i dont know and i cant find any more info on the internet about the one mile record, it doesnt seem to be a typical event...the hour is by willie hamilton in 1897 and its 40.781 kilometers (i dont remember what id written before)..but if those speeds were possible for the hour i imagine the mile record would be ok too..
40.781 K?TJeanloz
Apr 30, 2002 8:58 AM
I think (assume) that most people here could ride 25 miles on a Velodrome in an hour, if they really tried. Most Cat V's can go faster than that (considering a perfectly flat course.)
40.781 K?ishmael
Apr 30, 2002 9:41 AM
ive never ridden on a velodrome but 25 mph average for an hour is damn fast...im a strong cat 4 who rides with 3s and 2s and we keep about a 27 mph pace for an hour with a pack of about 30
must be a dernyyeah right
Apr 30, 2002 10:15 AM
He would have to have been paced by a derny to get that kinda speed considering all the records these days are set with far superior equipment including, disk wheels, aero frames, head fairings, aerobars, and better tires. Still pretty fast. 1k tt'ers couldn't hold their 1km pace for a mile though, so that gives further evidence for what "paced" means.
I'd guess it too, stillcyclopathic
Apr 30, 2002 11:06 AM
there hasn't been as much progress made in a century.

Aero wheels only reduce overall drag by 2-3%, and bold head is more aero then most TT helmets. Frames didn't change much (consider that "aero" tubing is quite resent). Bullhorn bars were used then too. Disc wheels? they're century old invention.

With respect to tires he probably used "single tube" tires made with latex and latex has lesser rolling resistance then butyl rubber, it could have been even faster then mordern time sewups.

Shaving is an old tradition, and so is the use of wrestler bibs.

So technically someone with god power hadn't that much disadvantage.

Probably the biggest question is when the toe clips were invented (French Mechanic Ernest Michaux made first pedal in 1855) and if he used them.

my .02$ 8^}
The meaning of "paced"Kerry
Apr 30, 2002 4:58 PM
They didn't have derny's in those days. They paced off a tandem. IOW, the rider drafted one or more tandems for the duration of the ride. The unassisted hour record (the current defintion) was MUCH slower than the numbers being thrown around here.
what do you think?ishmael
May 1, 2002 4:32 AM
i think you are wrong about the hour record, maybe the mile is wrong but the hour record you can find on the uci site and other places lined up with all the other hour records..and back to the mile record, it also seems strange to pace someone behind a tandem at the mile record speeds anyway, i guess the tandem was going damn fast..im pretty sure neither a car could go that fast and a train youd have to catch at that speed since it cant excelerate fast..
but that's what "paced" means nmDougSloan
May 1, 2002 5:14 AM
were they taking EPO? hmmcyclopathic
Apr 30, 2002 4:58 AM
if you check old race records, you will find some amazing data. For instance the avg speed of 1900 Paris-Roubaix was 37,352km/h over 268km, in 2001 was 37,700km/h over 254km.

Granted in old times there were less competition, so speed would differ greately from year to year. Tires probably had something to do with it too mordern tires offer much better grip on wet cobbles.
I didn't major in math,TJeanloz
Apr 30, 2002 6:19 AM
But doesn't the average pace in an hour record equal the total distance of the record? So if the record was 32.66 miles, wasn't the average speed 32.66 miles per hour (which is not astonishing)? I don't see how you could average 38 mph, for an hour, and only travel 32 miles....

But like I said, I didn't major in math.
You didn't major in reading comprehension either (lol)MisJG
Apr 30, 2002 6:34 AM
The times cited in the above post are for two different events. One is the hour record and the other is the mile. I know that I could go a lot faster for just a one mile time trial than I could maintain for an hour. Oddly enough, your math is right on! The average speed for an hour event would be the total distance traveled.
I see,TJeanloz
Apr 30, 2002 6:39 AM
The lack of punctuation between the two different events threw me. I thought he was somehow referring to a single mile within the hour record attempt.

38 doesn't seem that fast to me. Mile-a-minute Murphey did 60, drafting a train...
you think that's fastDougSloan
Apr 30, 2002 6:49 AM
In 1990 Michael Secrest rode 1215.81 miles in 24 hours drafting an 18-wheel truck, average speed 50.70 mph.

http://www.ultracycling.com/standings/timedrecords.html

I've done a "mile a minute" downhill into Death Valley, no drafting.
yeah, butcyclopathic
Apr 30, 2002 7:14 AM
he couldn't beat Pete Penseyres in '86 RAAM 15.4mph avg.
Either looks rather unhuman.
I see,ishmael
Apr 30, 2002 8:43 AM
i dont think the record im talking about involved drafting but im not sure...
hour record has to be wronggregdogg62
Apr 30, 2002 6:38 AM
Chris Boardmans UCI record is 49.44 kph, which equates to a speed of around 30.7 mph. His record with full aero setup was around 56 kmh, which is around 34.7 mph. The hour record that you stated from the late 1800's has to be inacurate. I just can't imagine someone from that era being faster than Chris Boardman, or E.Merckx who had the record previously
hour record has to be wrongishmael
Apr 30, 2002 8:45 AM
your mixing the two records..one is for the mile and one is for the hour...the hour record in 1897 was 40.781kph