|Have you ever seen a bike Made in the USA?||century2|
Apr 28, 2002 3:08 AM
|since around 1990; I do not think any bike has been "made in the USA"; based on the FED standard of 98% USA content ~~ I am not sure this matters; but it seems a lot of people are mislead into thinking Cannondales and Treks are Made In the USA
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December 4, 1998
FTC Decides To Keep "Made in USA" Label Simple, Honest, and American
Reversal Marks Major Victory For "Made in USA" Coalition
WASHINGTON, D.C. (Dec. 1, 1997) -- In a dramatic reversal hailed by the Made in USA Coalition, the Federal Trade Commission today announced that it will not proceed with plans to lower the standard for the use of the "Made in USA" label and instead will continue to enforce the current labor standard.
The Commission pointedly refused to give final approval to its own proposal, unveiled last May 5, to allow the "Made in USA" label to be applied to products with 25 percent or more foreign content. Instead, the Commissioners decided to maintain the current standard for the label, which requires that products promoted as "Made in USA" be "all or virtually all" made in the USA with only de minimis or negligible foreign content.
"'Made in USA' will continue to mean made in the U.S.A.," said David Flory, a spokesman for the Made in USA Coalition. "The FTC's decision to keep the 'Made in USA' label simple, honest and all-American is a tremendous victory for consumers and for American working men and women who proudly make their products here in the U.S.A."
"The FTC deserves praise for listening to the American people before it finalized its proposal to water down the 'Made in USA' labe," Flory said.
"American consumers had some incredible champions in the Congress who defended a strong and honest 'Made in USA' label," Flory said, noting in particular the leadership shown by U.S. Representatives Bob Franks (R-NJ) and John Dingell (D-MI) and U.S. Senators Ernest Hollings (D-SC) and Spencer Abraham (R-MI).
Reps. Franks and Dingell were the primary cosponsors in the House of Representatives of legislation (H.Con.Res. 80) opposing the FTC plan to weaken the label. The Franks-Dingell resolution won the cosponsorship of 226 House Members from both parties, a rare level of cosponsorship support comprising an outright majority of the House.
In the Senate, companion legislation that was only recently introduced by Senators Hollings and Abraham quickly earned the cosponsorship of both Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) and Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) and of one quarter of the entire Senate.
Flory also praised the members of the Made in USA Coalition, comprised of 100 consumer groups, businesses and business organizations, labor unions, and agriculture, organizations, in fighting to support the current label standard.
"The members of the Made in USA Coalition did an outstanding job of alerting the American people and their representatives to the danger that this proposal represented to American consumers and to U.S. jobs," Flory said. "All parts of the Coalition -- consumers, labor, business and agricultural groups -- pulled together as modern day Paul Reveres to let the FTC and the Congress know exactly how America felt about watering down our label."
"Everyone associated with this campaign deserves to feel a special pride whenever they see a 'Made in USA' label from now on," he added.
|Depends on how you want to draw the line.||Leisure|
Apr 28, 2002 4:52 AM
|If you were talking about buying a frame only, then obviously yes. A complete bike is tough, and I doubt anyone *sells* a complete bike that fits this definition. However, I find it reasonable to think you could assemble a bike as such. My mtb frame is Canadian with the Italian-built Z2 fork, but almost everything else is USA with the exception of the shifters (XTR), rear cassette (XT), and tires (Conti-fabricated in Thailand). Everything there is easily replaced with something American. I don't know about the tires, but they'd easily equate to under 2% anyway ($80 out of 4000). So it could happen.|
|I do not think you can get to that line||pcwheels|
Apr 28, 2002 5:39 AM
|where would you get tubes, tires, spokes, cogs, chain?|
|Never shopped in such a manner, so my info could be incomplete.||Leisure|
Apr 28, 2002 2:58 PM
|But you should be able to find American made spokes of some variety. If nothing else you could strip them off of Spinergies. Am I pushing it? Sure. I'm looking at IF you could do it. If I could figure a way to use vectran spokes reliably with my Chris King hubs and Sun rims I'd do it in a heartbeat. And aren't SRAM cogs and chains made in the US? I know SRAM chains are originally Sachs, wherever they come from, so let's say the cogs are US but the chain isn't. A SRAM chain can be had for $15 full retail. Tubes are $5 a piece. Wirebead Contis go for $25 each. That's $70 without compromising too hard, which is less than 5% of 4000. That still leaves room for handgrips and rim lining. And note most of the $70 is all the disposable stuff that people don't necessarily associate with the complete bike.
Admittedly I could be wrong here or there, but I also don't know every possible option. I also admit that while it's interesting to look at, I don't particularly care either. Complete bikes aren't made, they're assembled from parts which can come from all over the place. I wouldn't have it any other way. I LOVE my Canadian frame, I LOVE my Italian fork, I LOVE my American derailleurs, and I LOVE my German-designed-manufactured-in-Thailand tires. I even love my Japanese shifters, despite the fact that I'm not big on Shimano. I don't think there are many things you buy where every component can be sourced from anywhere in the world as on a bike (mansions maybe?), and it all comes together and works beautifully. I like it that way.
|Where is my bike made??||cathygoes|
Apr 28, 2002 5:47 AM
|my bike has
Shimano Ultegra crank, shifters, brakes and gears
and the other stuff I cannt tell
so where is my bike really from?
|What's your point?||Kerry|
Apr 28, 2002 6:39 AM
|Is this a problem, or a good thing? You don't say. It there a reason we should demand made in the USA bikes? It seems this country has little respect for the bicycle and bike riders, and has never really had a domestic bike industry that made anything but kid's bikes and clunkers. Being a lifelong Michigan resident, should I demand that my local grocery store sell only Michigan-grown oranges? This despite the fact that Michigan doesn't seem like a hospitable place to grow oranges. There is an analogy in the bike business. This is one of the fundamental principles of economics. Maybe we should get Congress to change the laws of economics.|
|I think the point...||Velocipedio|
Apr 28, 2002 7:06 AM
|for some people is that they believe that products manufactured in other countries, particularly in Asia, are inherently inferior. There reallky isn't much to back this up, of course, since Canadians, Europeans, Japanese and Taiwanese seem perfectly capable of producing top-quality produce, including bicycles. Historically, it seems to be a lagacy of American economic protectionism in the 1960s and 1970s, when US auto and electronics companies' marketing efforts tried to portray less expensive, Asian-made products as inferior to stem the tide of imports.
I think there is also, but very occasionally, a kind of economic jingoism at work, which posits that American workers are inherently more skilled thatn their Asian or European counterparts and consequently that the products they manufacture are of higher quality. I don't think that was ever the case, but considering that the vast majority of bicycle components and frames are made on automated assembly lines today, I think that's pretty much irrelevant.
The point of this thread, I believe was just a commentary on what made in the USA means. And I think it has been pretty well established that, in a global economy, it doesn't mean much.
My Marinoni road bike was built in Canada, of Italian steel, with all Italian components except for French pedals, French rims, American spokes and Dutch tires.
My 1997 Specialized MTB was made in the US, of American Aluminum, probably drawn from billet smelted in Canada of African bauxite, with Japanese components, an Italian saddle, French Taiwan-made tires on French rims.
My cyclocross bike was built in Asia of American aluminum, probably drawn from billet smelted in Canada of African bauxite, with Japanese components, an Italian saddle, French Taiwan-made tires on French rims.
My HRM was made in Finland.
|I think the point... VERY WELL SAID!||century2|
Apr 28, 2002 10:31 AM
|I think you summed it up perfectly. The product is what matters; not the misleading info on wherit was made - which is everywhere and nowhere|
Apr 28, 2002 9:33 AM
|I'm amazed by the fact that we get ZERO resistance to selling Chinese made bikes at the shop where I work. Where is all the moral outrage I read about in the news? What about the human rights abuses, etc, etc. I really thought when we started seeing "made in China" stickers on our mostly low-to-middle priced Diamondbacks, Treks, etc, that we would encounter enough resistance to cause the bike companies to at least THINK about those issues. I guess you CAN put a price on freedom- it's about 30 bucks. (I realize not many on this board ride that kind of bike now, but when it eventually reaches $2500 road bikes do you think it will matter to those buyers?) Just something I've wondered about for a few years..... Any thoughts?|
|re: Have you ever seen a bike Made in the USA?||paulw|
Apr 28, 2002 7:09 PM
|A made-in-USA MTB would be a possibility since SRAM and other companies makes derailleurs. A road bike would be impossible since no US companies make road components. I suppose you could graft mtb components on a road frame but it seems ridiculous.
I like the fact that my road frame was made about 20 miles from my house but I don't really care that the whole thing isn't domestically made.
Apr 29, 2002 6:19 AM
|I have seen bike frames made in the USA. I live in WI, and been to the trek factory... Yes, USA tubing... Not sure if all of the tubing there was from USA, but at least some of it was...
|Similar Experience With An "Italian" Bike||Gregory Taylor|
Apr 29, 2002 9:11 AM
|A couple of years ago, I bought a Bianchi Volpe as a commuter bike. Ahh! Bianchi! A fine, old Italian bike maker. But, What about my bike? Mama mia! Look at what I found:
Frame: Made in Taiwan
Components: Shimano RSX 100 -- from Japan's finest maker of bike components (works well, by the way)
Headset: no name. I killed it in three months, and replaced it with a Campy Athena headset that I bought for $20.
Rims: Mavic MA2, decidedly French
Tires: Ritchy Trail Mix -- American name, but moulded in Asia.
Seatpost: no-name aluminum thing. Probably Taiwan.
Bar and Stem: Hsuing Ling. Nope, THAT ain't Cinelli...
Saddle: Ahh! Victory! Viva Italia! A Sella Italia saddle. A cheap moulded foam model apparently of Italian birth. And it was the first part that came off the bike to be upgraded...