|Motobecane Champion vs. Fuji Team||TD|
Apr 23, 2002 4:27 PM
|I am in the market for a new road bike, preferably with Ultegra components--and I want to try to stay in the $1500 price range.
From what I have found the Fuji Team bike seams to be a pretty good bike, and runs around $1600 (better than the Treks and C-Dale's I have found). But then I ran across the Motobecane Le Champion (with full Ultegra) for $1099. Does anyone know what the rub is? How is every other Ultegra bike around 16K except the Motobecane (and they are 2/3rds the price)? Anyone heard much about their new bikes?
Any other recommendations in this price range?
Thanks for your help.
|re: Motobecane Champion vs. Fuji Team||TD|
Apr 23, 2002 4:38 PM
|...obviously I meant every other bike is around $1600 (not 16K).
Thanks in advance for you advice.
Viva La Raza,
|Well the Fuji...||hayaku|
Apr 23, 2002 4:54 PM
|The Fuji is an OK bike, it's very light for the price but the penalty is that it's a little flexy. I'm 75kg/165-8ish lbs so not too bulky.
The Fuji is pretty comfortable but I had to change the seat. The stock seat places you foward a long way so I needed to get a longer stem to fit. When I put my Flight or my SLR on I was a looong way back. I recommend that if you're currently riding, try your current seat with the bike.
Overall I think the Fuji is pretty nice, but make sure you're happy with the bottom bracket stiffness and test ride it with a different saddle.
I've never heard of the other bike sorry.
|Well the Fuji...||TD|
Apr 23, 2002 5:35 PM
|Thanks for the FUJI insite. Does anyone know ANYTHING about the Motobecanes?|
|Check the archives for Motobecane...||Lone Gunman|
Apr 23, 2002 6:05 PM
|Also look at GVHbikes.com for some different bikes in your price range.|
|Please, Lord, keep me from posting on this subject...||Uncle Tim|
Apr 23, 2002 7:16 PM
|So you have $1500 to spend on a new bike and the only choice you can make is between a Fuji and a MBK?
Have you looked around? Are you visiting LBS's and seeing what they have to offer? Are you just looking as MSRP's on websites?
I am just struck by the fact that out of all of the bicycles made, you've narrowed it down to two models.
Does it have to be a 2002 model? Would you settle for a 2001 or even a 2000 model? Would you be willing to look at a bike with an Ultegra/105 mix?
I suggest that there are many, many options available to you that you are not exploring.
|Please, Lord, keep me from posting on this subject...||TD|
Apr 24, 2002 7:55 AM
I have explored (KHS, Cannondale, Trek, QR, Lemond,...) and I have just narrowed to those two, after going to 4 LBS and a ton or reading online. You have to narrow at some point. What would your suggestion be?
|Dunno 'bout Uncle Tim||djg|
Apr 24, 2002 8:40 AM
|but my suggestion would be to ride what you can and make your decision mostly on issues of fit, ride quality, and maybe--secondarily--sense of the shop. You've looked at some of the usual contenders in your price range--what do you like?
Fuji has a history of providing good value, less expensive, road bikes. I haven't ridden any of their current offerings, although I've seen them and have heard some favorable things. MBK: I haven't seen one (not in the company's recent incarnation) and I want very much to stay out of the recent MBK flame war. My take on materials is this: all have their inherent strengths and weaknesses, and all (at least the usual materials) can be manipulated (tubing selection, diameter, butting, and shaping, other manipulation, geometry, etc) to make bikes that ride very differently. The old saw that Ti bikes are always cushy and AL bikes always harsh just aint so. But in my--admittedly selective and perhaps limited--experience, there is nothing that rides worse, among the current commercial offerings, than an inexpensive, poorly designed, aluminum frame. Is that what Motobecane offers? Beats me--I have no idea. But ride quality, IMO, is chiefly a function of fit first, overall frame design second, wheels (plus tires, etc) a close third, and component group choice a distant fourth or more. It's not that the better parts aren't in various ways better. It's just that I'd rather have a good fit, and the frame of my choice, with 105, than a mystery frame with Dura Ace. Really. So I just wouldn't order a total mystery, budget AL frame unless it were about free (or more accurately, unless it offered a whole bike for less money than I'd have to pay for the components on it, supposing I wanted the components).
|Yes, you will eventually have to narrow down to one...||Uncle Tim|
Apr 24, 2002 6:00 PM
|Thanks for such a nice reply giving me some information to work with. I thought you may get the idea I was flaming you. I won't flame you.
I won't flame djg's post, either, because it is very strong. Part of your exploring phase should be to mount these bicycles and take them for a spin. djg is right: the way you feel on the bike should be the determining factor. I do understand that you want Ultegra components all the way around, but depending upon the frame you find that fits you best, that may not be feasible.
I appreciate you asking for my advice but I don't think I can make this decision for you. Ride these bikes and determine the one that fits best and has the kind of ride that you like. And don't makes rules that may not serve you well: Ultegra is not the Holy Grail of cycling. Today, I rode with a guy whose Lemond had a 105 group and I couldn't keep up on the hills. Good luck on your choice.
|re: Motobecane Champion vs. Fuji Team||McAndrus|
Apr 24, 2002 9:32 AM
|Do a search on Motobecane on this board and you'll find a couple of recent flame wars on the topic. You probably already know Motobecane was (was) a well regarded bike in the 70s. I owned a Mirage myself in college in the 70s. Moto has since disappeared from the US market and exists in Europe as MBK which is ridden by the Cofidis team.
The lack of response here on Motobecane is because almost no one has seen one or ridden one. As others have said, Fuji on the other hand has been around and has a good reputation. I don't own one myself but I've seen them around and they have a good value reputation.