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Ankling can increase your power output ~30%+??????(17 posts)

Ankling can increase your power output ~30%+??????eschelon
Apr 23, 2002 10:13 AM
I am not going to name the site...but this coach says that this is true and also ankling will not screw up your ankles provided that you have strong calf mucles and your ankles are acclimated to doing this activity while cycling.

I was thinking holy sh*t! I know I can definitely do calf raises 200 lbs+...I can't wait to try this technique to see if this is truly going to boost my power output and smooth out my technique...god knows I sure do need it.

The point of this thread: please provide me with constructive examples/experience with regard to ankling.

Please save your "I think's, I supposes', I heard from..., and anything else for another thread.

Bon' a pre midi!
re: yeah, old forgotten "miracle"cyclopathic
Apr 23, 2002 10:28 AM
here's you ref http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_a.html#ankling
would you mind defining 'ankling'? nmdustin73
Apr 23, 2002 10:29 AM
nevermind...hmmmm...dustin73
Apr 23, 2002 10:33 AM
my ankles already pop like a fresh bowl of Rice Crispies, so i don't think i need to be ankling...
I think he meant to say it would increase INJURIES +30% -NMfloatch
Apr 23, 2002 10:51 AM
I don't know, I do it for a change of pace -NMRoadracer
Apr 23, 2002 12:21 PM
Are the pro's "ankling"? If not - you probably shouldn't. (nm)tz
Apr 23, 2002 11:21 AM
To a certain extentMel Erickson
Apr 23, 2002 12:49 PM
we all ankle, we have to or we couldn't pedal. Good old Sheldon is a guru but what he experienced in youth was due to too much, too soon. Ankling is a good change of pace. It does employ different muscles and gives others a little time for recovery. Just don't do what Sheldon did. Train using this technique gradually and don't go to extremes in the motion. Whether the pros use this technique or not is irrelevant to most of us here but, what the pros do certainly influences the sport. If it weren't for the pros we'd all probably be riding recumbents;)
agreecyclopathic
Apr 23, 2002 5:01 PM
I do it too at really low RPM (40-60) to reduce stress on knee joint and to stretch lower legs. It is not complete since I only do heel drop at the top and skip lower part. The most extrime cases I've seen were credited to ultramarathon/RAAM riders but their normal cadence is ~50RPM. I don't believe it can be done at 90-110RPM, that's probably why "pros" dont do it.
Perpetual Motion Machine for Sale!grzy
Apr 23, 2002 2:14 PM
Cheap!

Lemme see - the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. SO you can do all the ankling that you want, but if you don't have the solid legs then it won't matter much. I say much because what is important is technique and a smooth spin. If ankling somehow allows you to suddenly get smooth then that's great. By the way - excessive ankling all at once is a decent way to get some tendonitis going in your achilles tendon - been there, done that, it sucked. the whole ankling thing is a recycled retro concept that goes back at least 20 years - of course the unnamed coach doesn't have any data or studies to back him up. Another tip - Spinergy wheels are the fastest things on the planet - just ask them.

Hey, here's a real tip - doing interval repeats at AT can really increase your power. No kidding. Sensible training has also had some benifits.
...leg bone's connected to the knee bone, the knee bone's...nmdustin73
Apr 23, 2002 11:31 PM
like 6 million dollar man?DougSloan
Apr 25, 2002 6:06 AM
It always cracked me up when the 6 Million Dollar Man (you youngins may not remember the bionic man) would lift a car with one hand. Sure, the legs and arm where mechanical, but what about the back? How the heck did his spine handle a 3,000 pound load?
I'm with grzKerry
Apr 23, 2002 5:55 PM
Just where is this 30% more power going to come from? Your high protein, low carb diet (oops, that's a different bogus claim). Many of us can become more efficient by working on smoothing out our style, thus the constant recommendation of rollers. But in order to get 30% more power, your lungs, heart, circulatory system, metabolism, and muscles all have to have that much reserve. Here's the news, they don't! In general, keeping your heels down as you come around the bottom of the stroke will benefit many, though not all. There was a poster on another this forum about a year ago who claimed to have tapped into the long lost pedaling style of Jacques Anquetil and was going to have a tremendous performance increase because of it. He was hounded out of here and showed up on the CyclingForum with the same clap trap. Run out of town there too. Guess what, he never came back with the results.

Now, about that bridge you were interested in . . .
I'm with grznc
Apr 25, 2002 3:25 AM
I am that poster who has discovered the secret of Anquetil's extra pedal power and I was not hounded out, I read a statement " He who tries to reason with fools,
reduces himself to their level ". Anquetil's style is the
opposite to the ankling style and the source of his additional pedal power is easily explained but trying to
explain the pedaling is where the difficulty lies. When one
is climbing out of the saddle and uses the arms, extra
pedal power can be generated as one pulls against the
pressing down on the pedal. By completely changing one's
seated pedaling style, the same combination of arm/leg power
is possible, and in a more relaxed position. There was
no suitable equipment available in Ireland to test this
technique because like most countries, it is only VO2MAX and
expensive equipment that racing cyclists and coaches are
interested in. Last week I placed an order in the U.S. for a Computrainer and when I have got it mastered I hope to send
the bargraph of the pedaling at the higher wattage to some
of the forums that you referred to. Would you care to bet
against the possibility of being able to combine the
pulling power of the arm with the power of the leg
when riding at speed in the saddle, such as in time trials
when smooth powerful pedaling is a necessity. The experts
say that your arms should be in a relaxed state, what a
waste of freely available upper body power.
name the siteDuane Gran
Apr 23, 2002 7:44 PM
I am not going to name the site...

Why not? Please don't go dropping a bomb shell like this and hold back on us. Pass along the information and you might get a good discussion going. Hold it back and everyone will ask you to take your snake oil elsewhere.

That said, I would get a power meter and do some tests.
Here's the site: http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Index.htmleschelon
Apr 24, 2002 5:23 AM
Here's the site: http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Index.htmlgrzy
Apr 24, 2002 9:27 AM
Still don't see the claim - looks like his website was made by Playskool.

In any event he makes a bunch of claims and has nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Not exactly a brainiac.