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A dreadfully boring & possibly smug post you ought just skip(11 posts)

A dreadfully boring & possibly smug post you ought just skipAhimsa
Apr 22, 2002 5:19 PM
I am building a building.

Ahem...No...

I am having a building built.

Since I am not actively building it I suppose that I cannot claim it as such. Rather then, I am paying people a ridiculous sum of money to build it for me.

Anyway, it is a garage. A detatched garage. I can't wait.

It is big. Er, rather it will be big. Or large. What ever. It will have ample space for a workbench.

So my conundrum as it were. i have a coal room in the basement that provides the space for my "Bike Shop". It is not huge, but ample. It lacks storage for bikes themselves however, and convenient access to the street. But it is secure and temperature controlled.

Shall I consider having two workshops? I'd like to keep it simple and just have one. The garage is where the bikes will be, but does that mean the shop should share space there as well?

Basement or garage?

Is there any real reason for choosing one? Or both? Give me some concrete reasoning for why one would be preferable . I'd hate to be arbitrary about such a gravely important issue (implied sarcasm).

Or you could just snicker.
Or sigh and wish you had taken my advice in the Topic line.

Cheers!

A. (Few spokes short of a wheelset)
Nice problem to have.Len J
Apr 22, 2002 5:44 PM
What's the ventilation situitation?

If the garage has HVAC I'd say set it up in there, your own escape place. Alas, I have trhe detached garage, but no HVAC (or insulation), winter & dead summer are inhospitable.

Len
Nice problem to have.mwood
Apr 22, 2002 5:49 PM
I agree, get the hell out of the basement, if you have HVAC in the garage (but, seeing as you are in the building stage, just step up and do it right, with heat and air!)...of course if you live out here in California, the only HVAC you need is the ability to open the windows and let the constant 70-80 degree weather do its job :-)
Tough choiceSlipstream
Apr 22, 2002 5:49 PM
I would prefer everything in one well-designed secure space. (You didn't say how secure the garage is, but I am assuming it is.) I would also think that hauling stuff up and down the stairs would grow old after a while.

Since the basement coal room is temperature controlled, an idea that would appeal to me would be to create a paint room. I would then learn how to paint frames and either do retro or custom painting, or both. But that may not be your gig.

But, hey, you've got a project that will keep you pretty busy. good luck and let us know how it goes.

Most importantly is that you throw a "bike" warming party and we can all come over and mess your place up, eat all your food and drink all your liquor.

cheers!
re: A dreadfully boring & possibly smug post you ought just skipxxl
Apr 23, 2002 2:30 AM
Garage. You said the bikes would be there, right? So what does the coal bin really offer you? Security, ok, but you're a homeowner, you're insured, and if some thief steals your old Huffy, you just explain to the insurance adjusters that it was a "Team Issue, handbuilt, etc.," and could they just fork over the check now so you can go put that deposit down on the new Colnago? Temperature control is also of questionable value. If your house has a coal bin, is it one of those under-a-concrete-front-porch jobs? That would mean it isn't heated (i.e., served by its own ductwork, vs. relying on spillover from the rest of the house)? Maybe a bit damp? Granted, you can work on your bikes over the winter in your basement, or you could (since you've become your contractor's best friend anyway) have a little heater out in the garage; either installed or aftermarket. Finally, I have read that the temperature changes in unheated garages are less debilitating to bikes than storage in basements, as the temp changes are so gradual, and humidity levels less than many basements. I don't know if this is true, but it sure sounds good.

I really like the idea of converting your coal bin to a paint booth. That or a fallout shelter? Dungeon for the kids? "Time out" room for bad pets? Personal isolation room, like on "Altered States?" You strike me as a creative individual, I'm sure you can think of some really cool uses for the coal bin.
hmmm...JS Haiku Shop
Apr 23, 2002 5:03 AM
tough choice. i now have a 3-car garage (attached), with the third-car part sectioned off the rest with a wall and door, and a separate garage door, also. it's the bike shop, and everything else (tools, cars, toys, wife's huffy, kiddie trailer, jogging stroller, yadda yadda yadda) is on the other side, including separate tools/workbench/etc.

can't say if the basement or the detached garage would be preferable to me, 'cept for the two already-stated factors of temperature (even my attached garage--not environmentally controlled--is rough in the heat of summer), and security. i'd want a full security system on a detached garage, especially if it was storing my bikes.

one last consideration for me would be trainer/roller accommodations. if there were reasons to ride either in the heat of summer, i wouldn't want to be relegated to non-air-conditioned space. basement would be most hospitable for this. if you can pick and choose, that would be the 'best of both worlds.'

good luck.
Depends partly on where you liveretro
Apr 23, 2002 6:48 AM
Good for you, is what I say--I bought a house without a garage, and I've been planning one for about 15 years. Every time I just about get the money up, the furnace pukes or a transmission blows or something.
Where I live, winter temps can get down to zero. That pretty much requires temperature control if you're going to do any work in the winter, and that pretty much argues for the basement--it would be 55 degrees most of the winter, so you could duck down there without mukluks and anorak, and you'd only have to heat it 10 degrees or so to be very comfortable. It's also likely more secure, if that's an issue (it isn't in my neighborhood).
If I still lived in the Bay area, though, I'd go for the garage--it never gets very cold there, you wouldn't have to carry the bikes up and down stairs and I like having a window or two to look out of.
Well gents...a few answers and details and suchAhimsa
Apr 23, 2002 9:05 AM
Re: HVAC

Both the garage and the coal room workshop have no HVAC of their own. The basement room has passive heat from the nearby furnace, but is seperated by a concrete block wall and doorway. The garage will probably be provided with a heater of some sort. Maybe even a woodstove. Both have vented glassblock windows.

Re: Stairs

Not so much a problem for the basement as I have one of those low side entrance doors that puts you on the midway landing of the basement staircase. No tromping through the house, bike in tow.

Re: Security

Yes, the coal room is more secure. I suppose insurance would cover theft. I would probably lock the bikes up in the garage just to be safe. Being somewhat anal retentive requires that I have an elaborate storage solution that deters theft. I'll come up with something. Maybe a real bike rack.

Re: Paint booth

Sounds great, but not do-able. It would be underused by me anyway as I get frames powder coated cheap here in town.

Could be good for a million other things though. Maybe I'll scrub it clean as a whistle, outifit it with all the necessaries and start brewing beer? A wine cellar would be keen too. Hmmmmmm. Bear in mind that it is the neighboring room to my tiki lounge and bar. Suggestions? Guest room? Smoking lounge? Oooooh! Sauna!

Re: Where I live

It does get cold here. It also gets hot. I do not mind heat. I do not like cold.

Thanks for your suggestions, keep 'em coming!

Cheers!

A.
what ahimsa is really saying between the lines is...Spirito
Apr 23, 2002 9:06 AM
we'll soon be invited to the very first rbr.com S & M invite only get together in the comodious surrounds and multi room offerings. many uses for a HVAC if you think about it.

get ready to put aside the lycra for your best rubber and latex ,boys and girls. masks optional

:-)
Well gents...a few answers and details and suchAhimsa
Apr 23, 2002 9:16 AM
Re: HVAC

Both the garage and the coal room workshop have no HVAC of their own. The basement room has passive heat from the nearby furnace, but is seperated by a concrete block wall and doorway. The garage will probably be provided with a heater of some sort. Maybe even a woodstove. Both have vented glassblock windows.

Re: Stairs

Not so much a problem for the basement as I have one of those low side entrance doors that puts you on the midway landing of the basement staircase. No tromping through the house, bike in tow.

Re: Security

Yes, the coal room is more secure. I suppose insurance would cover theft. I would probably lock the bikes up in the garage just to be safe. Being somewhat anal retentive requires that I have an elaborate storage solution that deters theft. I'll come up with something. Maybe a real bike rack.

Re: Paint booth

Sounds great, but not do-able. It would be underused by me anyway as I get frames powder coated cheap here in town.

Could be good for a million other things though. Maybe I'll scrub it clean as a whistle, outifit it with all the necessaries and start brewing beer? A wine cellar would be keen too. Hmmmmmm. Bear in mind that it is the neighboring room to my tiki lounge and bar. Suggestions? Guest room? Smoking lounge? Oooooh! Sauna!

Re: Where I live

It does get cold here. It also gets hot. I do not mind heat. I do not like cold.

Thanks for your suggestions, keep 'em coming!

Cheers!

A.
Oh bugger. Ignore this one above here, it's a duplicate. [nm]Ahimsa
Apr 23, 2002 9:21 AM