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Look bike owners unite!!(25 posts)

Look bike owners unite!!look271
Apr 19, 2002 6:22 AM
I keep reading from time to time, posts regarding ?'s on Look frames. So, it got me to thinking, how many of us out there have them? Stand and be counted! Me? I have a yellow and black kg271. I am sold on these bikes. My next one will be a Look, too, possibly a KX.I have never been on a bike that was as comfortable, stable, light and stiff enough as my 271.
re: Look bike owners unite!!Beaver
Apr 19, 2002 6:56 AM
Count me in. I bought a dark gray/black KG 241 frame/fork on sale from Total Cycling. Great ride, just wish I had the $$ to get the KG 381i. Right now, I am using it as my "training" bike and saving my TCR for the weekends because the Look is about 1.5 lbs heavier...but still no slouch at 18.6 lbs.

According to the wrench at my lbs who knows just about every road rider in the area, I'm the only one with a Look. Pretty cool.

Anybody know where I might be able to pick up a Look jersey? I've been trying to find one for months with no luck. The LBS has struck out with Veltec also.
381ijaybird
Apr 19, 2002 11:38 AM
you might check out totalcycling.com for a 381i. I just got mine using and employee discount from Veltec but, the price at Totalcycling is not a whole lot more than what I paid. If I remember correctly it was $1500 frame and fork. not that 1500 is chump change, but, In the US I have never seen it for less than 2k.

On another note, the bike I just ordered will be my first carbon bike and I am a little leary about building it myself. Is there anything special I need to consider when building it?
A bit of a rant.Ian
Apr 19, 2002 6:40 PM
Jaybird,

I assume you work in a shop since you used an employee purchase to obtain your frame?

Now, I'm sure this board can argue all day long about the merits of mail-order vs. LBS, but why would an employee of a shop, encourage someone to shop online?

Ian
A bit of a rant.jaybird
Apr 19, 2002 7:57 PM
Good Question...

The only reaason that I brought it up is that money was an obvious concern for him and I had just seen a great deal online. I fully support buying from an lbs when possible but lets face it a $500 difference is a lot of money and I thought it would help him out.
A bit of a rant.Ian
Apr 20, 2002 1:50 PM
I will grant you that $500 is quite a bit of money. But what you forgot to mention is what the buyer loses in the LBS vs. totalcycling battle.

Working at a LBS, I would hope you would be aware of this. Why do you think Veltec, or any cycling company, discounts products for employees? So that you will sell more through your shop.

So, here is your arguement next time this comes up; The LBS is the choice for a bicycle because we can help you get the proper fit. In most cases you can see and try the product before buying. And with the LBS, you get a US warranty. if you have any problems, come back to us and we will take care of it. With totalcycling, you are out of luck.

I worked in a shop for a long time, and I knew people who bought online or mail order. But, they would always come back to see me when the had a problem or question, and many would come to see the price is only part of the equation that needs to be considered when making a purchase.

Ian
A bit of a rant.Beaver
Apr 22, 2002 6:45 AM
While I appreciate your input on the price of a KG381i, I just purchased my 241 a couple of months ago from Total Cycling. If I plan on getting the 381i, it won't be until the fall or next spring.

I have a great realtionship with my LBS. I purchase 98% of my bike stuff from them, so I went to my LBS first and asked if they could get one at the same price or comparable. They said no, and to purchase the bike from Total Cycling. The wrench said that he looked forward to building it up.

As for the warranty, I'm not sure about that. Total Cycling filled out my warranty card for me and mailed it to Look. But I will most likely have to go through a European office instead of an American office. Not a big deal in my book.
WarrantyIan
Apr 22, 2002 7:18 AM
You do get a warranty with your bike, but, like you said, through Look in France.

No big deal in your book? I hope you don't have any problems with you bike. Do you speak French? Have you checked telephone and shipping rates to France? You may be able to get your warranty covered, but it won't be easy.

Ian
What size do you wear???? (nm)Dave Hickey
Apr 19, 2002 4:53 PM
Large (nm)Beaver
Apr 22, 2002 6:35 AM
nm
I have threeDave Hickey
Apr 19, 2002 7:18 AM
I've owned a KG243, A KG221, and a KG281. I currently have
KG241- main ride
KG286- backup ride
KG86- Hinualt team frame- I'm in the process of restoring.
Here is my KG241Dave Hickey
Apr 19, 2002 2:09 PM
Let me guess. . .czardonic
Apr 19, 2002 5:20 PM
That's its spot during office hours, and "No, you may not move it. There are spare chairs down the hall" is your constant refrain." ; )
Bingo! (nm)Dave Hickey
Apr 20, 2002 4:45 AM
Here's mine:look271
Apr 19, 2002 9:32 AM
nice ride 271S-U-B
Apr 19, 2002 1:29 PM
nice, i like it. I have a 381i with my name on it in the near future.

Sub
I've got one, tooRik
Apr 19, 2002 3:07 PM
Look KG281 built up last October. Great bike!
Here's my bro's new 381iJohnG
Apr 19, 2002 1:52 PM
I built this about a month ago. It's a totally bitchen bike!!! Stiff as all get out..... not a comfy all-day couch.

Full record..... with a set of 02 Neutrons in the closet. Just haven't gotten around to mounting the tires.

But alas, I've given my 281 to a friend. sniff.... sniff

ride on
JohnG
That is one beautiful bike.Sintesi at home
Apr 19, 2002 2:00 PM
Man, I pretty much just finished all the upgrades on my bike, I thought I was satisfied, and now this-- bike lust all over again. Excellent rig.
Nice bike, John G's bro! (nm)look271
Apr 19, 2002 2:03 PM
A Rare KG231crewman
Apr 19, 2002 3:38 PM
This baby was built last winter from a frame i got from England (these were not sold in North America)
Look geometry & sizingnazgul
Apr 19, 2002 5:23 PM
I was wondering if you LOOK owners could comment on the
geometry. From looking at geometry charts it seems like
they have a slacker seat-angle than usual: 72.5. How does this slack angle affect things? I've read previous discussions here that it effectively shortens the toptube. How does the angle affect bike handling: does it favor spinning or mashing, climbing or cruising on the flats?
I currently ride a 58 c-t caad5 with a 73.5 seat-angle, 57.5 top tube and have been tempted by deals on the kg241 frames. The geometry chart I looked at was at
http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/bikes/look/kg241_geo.html
Should I be looking at a size 59? I am 6.0 with an 87cm inseam (long legs) and the caad5 fits fine, albeit with a positive rise 110 stem. Are look headtubes longer/shorter than average?
Stefan
Here's minewhtogls
Apr 19, 2002 7:48 PM
not sure why they don't sell more...Travis
Apr 20, 2002 5:37 AM
I got a 2001 KG281 (frame and fork) from Totalcycling.com for about $1000. Last time I checked you could still puck a KG281 up from them in limited sizes for around $900. How can you beat that? I built it with Look PP396 pedals and a full DuraAce group, including DuraAce 7700 wheels. The whole thing probably cost me what I would have paid a C40 frame and fork alone. I am sure the C40 is a great bike and probably worth every penny, but unless money is no object, can't see how it is worth 150% more than the KG281. I live in Japan and see quite a few Looks over here (usually the 271 or 241), but I rarely have seen any in the States. Maybe it is a marketing thing, where Look doesn't make a real strong effort to crack the U.S. market. Given the number of Division I Euro pro teams teams that used the KG281 last year, you would think the demand would be great
KG381iIan
Apr 20, 2002 1:53 PM
KG381i in CSC-Tiscali team colors. Full D/A, Velomax Orion wheels, Look carbon stem, Easton carbon bars, Flite TT saddle.

Sorry, I have not taken a picture of it yet.

Ian