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Historical truths of the Board?(46 posts)

Historical truths of the Board?RideLots
Apr 18, 2002 1:39 PM
Some of us have been here several years now, and certainly we have seen the same things occur over and over, but somehow they seem to cause a raucous every time. I, too, get thin-skinned sometimes, or allow myself to be drawn into messes. In an attempt to put things in perspecive, though, I prepared my list of historical truths of the Board. Anyone want to add to it?

*No matter what you say, almost certainly someone will disagree with you. Both views are probably legitimate, at least in part.

*No matter what you say, someone will likely understand it differently than you intended, and be offended and call you an idiot or jerk for it.

*The better your experience with a product, the more likely someone else will post a scathing review of the same thing (and vice versa). If you got 20,000 miles on a wheel without so much as truing it, I guarantee the same wheel exploded on someone else in the first 10 miles. However, likely no one has any data showing the frequency of good or bad experience with the product.

*Posting that a tire you use never gets flats will guarantee a flat on that tire on your next ride.

*Every few months a new guy (yes, always a guy) discovers the Board and causes a huge raucous with insults, too many posts, crude language, name calling, and generally being a big immature jerk. Invariable, people keep responding to the guy, which only eggs him on. At the same time, people will post not to respond to the guy, but they do, anyway. Then, someone will always post that the request not to respond is an attempt at censorship from the "thought police." Nonetheless, after the guy gets his jollies for a while, he grows tires of it, disappears, and we never hear from him again.

*Some people have a whole lot of good information to share, but come off as a bit irascible and undiplomatic, which irritates a few people who attack them for it. For these people, just accept who they are and focus on substance.

*Getting personal and name calling never helps a situation, and I'd imagine most people feel badly about doing it afterward.

*If you misspell or use bad grammar, someone will point it out, (ir)regardless of your efforts to spend time attempting to help someone or sincerely participating in a meaningful dialogue.

*It is always better to wait and carefully consider how to respond when someone irritates you, rather than respond immediately. Many times you will then choose not to respond at all, which is probably best.

*On an average of every 3.7 days, someone will ask "which frame material is best (or a similar question)." Don't get upset, as they probably don't realize it has been asked well over 100 times before, as they have not been lurking here for years, as some of us have. Just allow others to respond, or simply cite to a link that explains it.

*At some point in time, everyone will say something they regret. Cut them some slack if they don't do it too often.

*We have an unbelievable variety of backgrounds, circumstances, viewpoints, personalities, capabilities, and desires, even though we all share a passion for riding 2 wheeled vehicles. Don't forget that. What is great for a Cat 1 racer in Texas might be completely wrong for a commuter in Seattle. Lots of times there is disagreement, when many of us are thinking a little egocentrically or narrow-mindedly.

*It is really, really difficult to be funny. Plus, even if 99% of others think you're funny, the other 1% will either misunderstand or be genuinely offended. Just think about that before attempting humor.

*Just remember that most of us participate here because we want to share our passion for cycling, giving and receiving knowledge and views about cycling. That's our common denominator -- not politics, religion, philosphy or any other status. You don't have to agree with someone's politics to talk bikes. It might help to keep that in mind when we feel the need to argue or get personal.

Ok, f
finish...RideLots
Apr 18, 2002 1:41 PM
That cut off in a weird place.

Ending: Ok, feel free to unload on me.

Doug
Amen! nmSoftrider
Apr 18, 2002 1:49 PM
Irregardless is not a word...(nm)TJeanloz
Apr 18, 2002 1:54 PM
sadly, irregardless appears in several recent dictionaries,bill
Apr 18, 2002 2:45 PM
further evidence of the ineluctable slide of humankind, centuries (millenia?) old, hastened by the immediacy and fallibility of cyber-talk and the dearth of decorum and tolerance much rued by my friend Doug Sloan, into the abyss.
But, you know, potty humor still gets a laugh in my house. Of course, the constituency includes a four-year-old, a seven-year-old, and, um, me. Life goes on.
I sometimes wonder whether hanging around this board means that I have a hobby or that I have no life.
exclusive?RideLots
Apr 18, 2002 2:51 PM
Are these mutually exclusive -- "I have a hobby or that I have no life" ? ;-)

(Ir)regardlessly, what's it matter?
oh sure. now you're making me cry. nmbill
Apr 18, 2002 3:01 PM
nm
True d'at (nm)gregg
Apr 18, 2002 2:02 PM
yeah, I said (nm) but if you are reading this, let it be known that Doug has always been the Patron Saint of RoadbikeREVIEW from the Genesis. (actually, even before that, and before me)

Thanks for taking the time to write that, Doug.

-g
One More.Len J
Apr 18, 2002 5:21 PM
* Once a month or so we all both get sucked in to responding emotionally to a troll & get reminded that all they want is attention.

Great Job Doug.

Len
Well said, and very true (NM)vitusdude
Apr 19, 2002 5:11 AM
one more?4bykn
Apr 18, 2002 2:48 PM
Every now and then the situation degrades to the point that someone (usually Doug, thanks again) has to slap us back to our collective senses.

Spring has sprung with a vengeance here, so time to hit the blacktop.

Ride in Peace......Mike
one more?RideLots
Apr 18, 2002 3:05 PM
I've been slapped myself a few times. In fact, I have these permanent little welts on my cheek...
What is that old saying?DINOSAUR
Apr 18, 2002 3:39 PM
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far".
T. Roosevelt
I disagree! I'm offended! I....oh never mind. ;-0 nmBrooks
Apr 18, 2002 3:40 PM
Thanks, Yoda!Elefantino
Apr 18, 2002 4:04 PM
Gregg's right. You are the grand master, while the rest of us are struggling to figure out how to turn on the light saber thingy. (I have no idea why I used a Star Wars reference. I am not a rabid fan. Perhaps it has just become part of our culture like, sadly, "irregardless.")

Every once in a while, we need a collective deep breath. Yours comes at the perfect time, in the perfect tone. Thanks.

FWIW,
Mike

Note to Doug: I thought the "OK, f" ending was perfect, by the way.
My God you're gifted.Sintesi at home
Apr 18, 2002 4:07 PM
How long does it take you to reel off a post like that exactly? Do you stay up nights? Some of you guys are amazing.

Again I ask in earnest.

BTW, Yes, yes, yes. I've seen this all before. Couldn't stay out of it for once. I'm feeling existential nausea.

And I do acknowledge the Passion. Best thing of all.
GJ Doug.
sorry, did not get past the first bullet...nmbic
Apr 18, 2002 5:34 PM
Ridelots, you have hit just aboutLazywriter
Apr 18, 2002 6:06 PM
everything on the head and I, being one of the rude and immature ones posting here, can honestly say that I originally posted without incident. I was happily asking questions and answering. However, my tirades began after I was attacked for the type of bike I rode.
One thing that burns my ass are people who's pompous attitude exceeds their actual level of intelligence. There is an arrogance in many of the people who post here and it annoys me to no end. That is why there is never a shortage of people like me raising hell or trying to because there is nothing worse than a person who thinks their sh$% doesn't stink.
I have been a roadie for over 15 years now and I can see why mountain bikers often say roadies are a$$holes. I find many to people well educated professionals who are into the product more than the ride.
In my own defense, I really never criticize other's bikes but invariably if I answer a Litespeed question some moron will chime in. Then you have those that constantly "stalk and follow" you and comment on any little thing you say and then look for validation from the other retards so they can giggle like little fairy. I don't need to name you, you know who you are.
Anyway, I am sure I pissed you off in the past Ridelots, but I commend you on your insight. Excellent post.
"One thing that burns my ass..."Ahimsa
Apr 18, 2002 6:50 PM
"...are people who's pompous attitude exceeds their actual level of intelligence."

Yep. Me too. Now go read that line to yourself over and over again and think real hard about it before you "compose" your all caps headline, one size fits all, rambling bore of a reply to me.

This post of yours covers everything about you that makes you such an egocentric cry baby, and double standard prone finger pointer.

THAT is why you are criticized and disliked.

Take your ball and go play elsewhere if the game here is too much for ya.

In the procession of the blind leading the blind, you are but alone in a parade of one.

A. (It's a shame really, you could be a decent read....once.)
AhimsaLazywriter
Apr 18, 2002 7:43 PM
You can just eat my A$$. That is a quote from my favorite movie "Office Space". Your little rant means nothing to me because in all reality, I love the fact that I affect you enough for you to write your bullsh$# little bitchy post.
OOHHHHHHH you're so prophetic. You are a total douchebag.
It really is funny, but the anonymity always tempts me to say what I think when in the professional world one forever has to hold their tongue. Here I can tell you that you are a total retard and I love that you jerkoff.
Nobody else bother replying to me saying blah blah blah, becuae I am totally unaffected by it. I could give a rat's ass what any of you think or say. Believe it or not I am a well adjusted adult and respected professional in my field.
Can you believe I ran a Support Group tonight. HAHAHAHA
You see, this is my id talking, my uninhibited preconscious thoughts that I spew in response to the slightest provocation. Blah Blah Blah, bottom line, I am a cynical SOB with a sharp sense of humor with excellent insight into who I am and what I do.
Now I only wish you had the same amount of insight into what an A$$hole you are. Maybe you'll have an epiphany in church on Sunday. Prick.
LOLxxll
Apr 18, 2002 8:38 PM
"Believe it or not I am a well adjusted adult and respected professional in my field" LOL
Son, you haven't got what it takes to play with the big boys. We should all let this stolid response by Mr.Lazythinking crawl away on it's own maturity.
AhimsaSpinchick
Apr 19, 2002 4:57 AM
"Nobody else bother replying to me saying blah blah blah, becuae I am totally unaffected by it. I could give a rat's ass what any of you think or say."

If this is true, why have you been so affected by what people say about the bike you ride?
"Office Space"Slipstream
Apr 19, 2002 5:01 AM
so you're an idoist eh?

hey, you can't be all bad if Office Space is your favorite movie. if more people saw that movie maybe they would appreciate some of the irony & humor on this board and not get so incensed.

something for all of us to consider is that our comments might be easier to appreciate by others if we mixed a wee bit of wit into the cynicism & sharp sense of humor. but, it is inevitable that people will misunderstand anyway--isn't this one of Ridelot's axioms?
Satanvitusdude
Apr 19, 2002 5:17 AM
It is time you all realized that Ahimsa is Satan. You are being goaded by the devil. Personally, I enjow a good rant.
Vox et praterea nihil [nm]Ahimsa
Apr 19, 2002 8:38 AM
"Office Space"Lazywriter
Apr 19, 2002 1:21 PM
I like to bust balls and that is what guys invariably do with their friends. I don't need any more friends here, but too many of the people posting have little to no sense of humor. Too politically correct and totally wrapped too tight.
I might act like an a$$hole, but at least I am self aware of this when there are so many others with a bloated sens of self importance that dissect every fu(king word you type and your credentials for making such a statement. Lighten the fu(k up already.
I swap my Office Space DVD with my buddies all the time because we all need a bi-monthly dose of it. Dave Herman is brilliant (aka. Micheal Bolton)
"We're gonna have to get rid of this Samir Naga Naga Nagunnaworkhereanymore". :)
By the way, my buddy emailed me a desktop program that has buttons you click and get little snippets of dialogue from the movie. (we're not going to white collar resort prison, no, we're going to federal pound me in the ass prison".
That was short lived...Duane Gran
Apr 19, 2002 5:52 AM
I think we should move on to simpler matters, like peace in the middle east. But on the positive side, the approximate 20 minutes of peace on this board (prompted by the insightful post from Doug) may well be a record.

We spend a good deal of time on this board talking about how otherwise sensible people transform into reckless killers behind the wheel of a car. It affects us personally and we witness the sociopathic behavior first hand. Why is it that we also exhibit reckless abandon when it comes to digital communication? Who among us thinks that we would ever use such foul terms in a face to face conversation? Worse yet, who among us would revel in the ability to detract from an otherwise productive conversation?

I used to engage in all sorts of inflamitory online discussions, but then it hit me... I'm communicating with people, not my keyboard or my fragile ego. It isn't my privelege to act as if other people's feelings and sensibilities don't matter. My rule of thumb: If I wouldn't say it face to face, I won't type it either.
You make my work here so easy.Ahimsa
Apr 19, 2002 9:19 AM
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow creeps in from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time; and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death, Out, out brief candle! life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

-Macbeth

A. (Support group, huh? For what? Dissatisfied Litespeed owners?)
No, not a support group forLazywriter
Apr 19, 2002 1:11 PM
Litespeed owners, but rather for wives of men suffering from micropenis(small schweenie) and Mrs. Ahimsa usually has the most to say. :)
Criticized for the kind of bike you ride?jtolleson
Apr 18, 2002 7:08 PM
Isn't that personalizing it a bit? Criticisms of LS ARE NOT criticisms of you as a person. Hello!

As a fellow Litespeed owner (1998 Catalyst) I sometimes find your thin-skinned frenzy on ti frame issues a tad embarassing.

This is an opinionated board, and manufacturers that rise to a certain plateau also become fair game for petty snipes (witness the thread earlier this week on Serotta). Those who OWN the bike at issue simply can't take it so personally.

Is that what really got you wound up here? Criticisms of Litespeed? Sheesh.
Thanks for the crystal clear voice of reason! Excellent. -NMTig
Apr 18, 2002 6:41 PM
Perhaps we need..DINOSAUR
Apr 18, 2002 6:53 PM
A General Forum Pact. Maybe someone who is an attorney can set up the guidelines and everyone will take an oath to obey all the rules and if you violate them you will be banished from the board into cyberspace. I hate to think how many people have been run off of this board, lots of good people will loads of knowledge.

That said, this board is a great improvement from what it was a couple of years ago.

I still think sometimes the best answer is saying nothing, and that's probably what I should have done here, but quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn...

Whoops, I just tripped on my cape.
Don't we have a pact...JL
Apr 19, 2002 4:50 AM
about once a year. As soon as some new blood comes in, the whole thing goes out the window again. I agree with most of the posts in this thread, but the Pact (both I and II) hasn't stopped anyone yet from being a jerk or downright rude. It certainly hasn't stopped any flames between posters either.

I'll just continue to answer when I have clue about what I'm talking about, and pass by the posts that seem to be flame bait.

Happy riding.

JL

P.S. Dino, I've always appreciated your insight on cycling matters/issues. Don't take the above as flame, just as a "Do we really need another pact?" kind of thing.
Don't we have a pact...DINOSAUR
Apr 19, 2002 6:17 AM
My post was meant as a joke. We don't need a pact or any attempt at regulation (which always backwires anyway). There is no answer, it's human nature at it's best (or worst)..
Sorry...JL
Apr 19, 2002 9:26 AM
With all the posts I should have listened to Doug and just not said anything.

Happy Riding

JL
I just ate 4 pounds of rice...chazman
Apr 18, 2002 7:35 PM
...think about it.
Don't you findMel Erickson
Apr 18, 2002 8:34 PM
the latest Lazywriter/Ahimsa battle (above) a bit ironic given the starting point of this discussion?
Yep..DINOSAUR
Apr 18, 2002 9:26 PM
Sometimes it's best to let a sleeping DOG lay...but knowing the history of this forum, what can you expect? Someone just opened a can of worms...(again)...perhaps it's time to throw away the can opener and go fishing with no worms...
A bit ironic?guido
Apr 18, 2002 10:53 PM
It's somewhat like Hunter Thompson in a dog fight with Bruce Lee. Who's cooler? I don't know: the moves are different.

In any case, this is more fun than a Marx Brothers movie.
Doug, it's ironic thatdsc
Apr 18, 2002 11:01 PM
the ONLY time I have ever responded (somewhat) testily to a post was when it was one of yours - something about anyone other that a conservative being immoral, against the principles of the founding fathers, blah, blah, blah. You really caused the hair to stand up on the back of my neck with that one! :O)

Having said that, I agree 100% with your list of truths. Let the people post what they will, and ignore what you don't like. Although, I do have to admit to reading some of these crazy threads with great amusement (RadicalRonPruitt, for example). It's like watching a train wreck...

Peace,
-Debi
sorryRideLots
Apr 19, 2002 6:55 AM
I meant to apologize for that episode. I was pretty weirded out by the attacks.

Doug
sorrydsc
Apr 19, 2002 9:56 AM
I think you did (apologize), actually. It's all good.

As Spirito would say "all cyclists are family".

-D
Much better than the pactAnvil
Apr 18, 2002 11:04 PM
I think it's a nice set o' "truths." I was never too keen on the pact, sometimes people need to lay it out or argue or bitch about something, just like in real life, and some of it makes for interesting reading. Personally, I wouldn't fret too much over the trolls, it's just like you said, they only raise a ruckus for a little while and then they're gone. It's figuring out who the trolls are that can be a problem. I couldn't tell if the latest yo-yo was a troll or just some self absorbed jerk who was a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I finally determined he's both.
Just one more thing, "All cyclists are family." Spirito nmSlipstream
Apr 19, 2002 4:34 AM
I was so wrong.Steve98501
Apr 19, 2002 1:21 PM
Doug,

The list of truths is on the mark. Early in my exposure to the internet and bulletin boards, I figured that anyone who could turn on a computer, find a BB, and use a keyboard must have some modicum of intelligence. After having access to the net for about 7 years now, I've concluded that about half of what's on it is drivel.

The frequent example, here and elsewhere, that always cracks me up is when some cretin or troll begins an offensive thread. Then a reader adds a post warning everyone not to respond to the thread, having just done what he's warning everyone not to do, like I wouldn't have looked at it and decided for myself to not bother responding. Then the initial offensive post becomes a thread of 20 to 40 responses about not responding to it and ignoring it and what idiots the initial poster and maybe the 2nd and 5th poster are. Then someone misspells irregardless, prompting self-appointed editors, grammar experts, and thought police to chime in. And then I cannot remember if this was the cycling or flyfishing or boating bulletin board, as all are plagued by people who choose to focus on anything but the subject raised by the initiater of the thread. There is a wealth of useful information on the net, but a guy's sure got to screen a lot of garbage to obtain it.

Thanks much for your usual thoughtful, knowledgable, civil, and instructive and occasionally entertaining posts.

And it was almost doubly entertaining to see a couple of the guys mixing it up in this thread. Classic example that neither common sense, good taste, nor intelligence are required to participate in the cyber world.
Now what will come is...peloton
Apr 19, 2002 6:56 PM
A personal attack on RideLots in a pathetic attempt to berate him in some way. Another truth of the board I feel.

Keep up the good posts Doug. You, Dino, Jon, Netso, Humma hah, Arikasho, Wayne, LFR, Harlett, and a host of others are what makes this board really entertaining.