|Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||hikerryank|
Apr 16, 2002 12:17 PM
|So my GF visited last night after not seeing her for about three weeks. Sitting across from us was my Fuji which has not been ridden in about two weeks due to some possibly broken ribs (MTB Crash). So while sitting on the couch talking with her, all I could think about was that my light was charged and it was about 60 degrees outside, I should be out riding. Not truely a bike or sex (she is saving herself for marriage) thing, but all I wanted to do was send her on her marry way and jump on the bike. I think there is something wrong with me. |
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||STEELYeyed|
Apr 16, 2002 12:46 PM
|The best way to really get to know someone,is to ride a century or a multiday tour with them,you will see them at their best and worst. Get her a bike.|
|Excellent point - nm||McAndrus|
Apr 16, 2002 12:51 PM
|Religion is the ultimate evil...||tz|
Apr 16, 2002 1:06 PM
|You see, if you could have sex with your girlfriend before marriage [in this case you, sinners, would risk being struck by the divine lightning, of course], then there would be no need for this discussion.
Get yourself a new girl, before you become another RadicalRon...
I feel sorry for you...
|Religion is the ultimate evil...||garhead|
Apr 16, 2002 1:29 PM
|I'd have sent her on her merry way a long time ago. Jump on your bike & keep looking.|
|Exactly, would you buy a $5000 bike||Lazywriter|
Apr 16, 2002 1:35 PM
|without taking it for a test ride? Then why on earth would youi go out with a woman who is saving it for marriage? Regardless of what others may say, you have to know whether you and you significant other are sexually compatible.
Some women are simply lame in bed and if you were to choose a wife and find this out, man are you screwed (no pun intended). Don't waste your time with this girl.
Go out, get laid and enjoy yourself. Relationships are hard enough let alone when you not getting any.
|Exactly, would you buy a $5000 bike||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 16, 2002 6:30 PM
|"Some women are lame in bed"
Trust his words!
|drifting off topic...||Duane Gran|
Apr 17, 2002 4:17 AM
|This is getting a little off topic, but I'm one of these people who don't believe in having sex before marriage. The principle reason is religious, but I also think it is very practical. Here are a few reasons:
* Having sex is a bonding experience, and it is all too easy to become physically intimate before becoming emotionally intimate.
* Abstaining releives concerns about STDs and pregnancy
* Breaking up is much cleaner when you haven't shared yourself so deeply.
* Despite the comments here to the contrary, you can tell if a person is a good lover without having sex.
That said, everyone has to make their own choices. I just wanted to throw out a few reasons why I've made the uncommon choice to abstain.
|Depens on what you call religion||Ken of Fresno|
Apr 16, 2002 1:43 PM
|If you define religion as people killing each other over a plot of land that they each believe to be sacred then maybe. If you're referring to someone believing they can better themselves by adhering their beliefs in a God and how to live a descent life, then I would disagree. How many people can claim that their newly found athiesm has made a total change in their life for the good?
My non cycling rant for the day,
|Depens on what you call religion||OTG|
Apr 16, 2002 5:20 PM
|>How many people can claim that their newly found athiesm has made a total change in their life for the good?
Maybe not, but the commited athiests I know (myself included) are, on the whole, well-balanced people. They decide to be athiests after really thinking about it. On the other hand, those people who "find jesus" tend to be on the far side of well off; anything that gives their lives some structure will help, and it happens to be religion. The point there is that athiesm is not a creed or set of rules to live by; it's simply a disbelief in any god(s).
My daily flagrant generalization.
|Depends on what you call religion||Ken of Fresno|
Apr 16, 2002 6:10 PM
Please don't get me wrong. I wasn't insinuating that athiests aren't well balanced people. I'm sure most are. I was just refuting the idea that "religion is the ultimate evil."
|Should religious discussions be on the non cycling board||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 16, 2002 6:32 PM
|What I mean by religion is||tz|
Apr 17, 2002 5:18 AM
|blindly following thousand-year-old traditions ,rituals and prejudices, that make people's lives miserable.|
|Oh, I can think of a lot more evil things in the world than that||Ken of Fresno|
Apr 17, 2002 8:15 AM
|Really though, isn't it a bit presumptuous to call someone a "blind follower" just because they've chosen to live a certain lifestyle? I'd be happy to continue this discussion in the non-cycling discussion board if you're so inclined. It seems some people feel that while sex is an appropriate topic for this board, religion is not.
|Amen from a free thinking athiest nm||Lazywriter|
Apr 17, 2002 7:04 PM
|Religion is the ultimate evil...||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 16, 2002 6:29 PM
|Well on his way actually.|
Apr 16, 2002 1:36 PM
|"all I wanted to do was send her on her marry way and jump on the bike."
did you really mean "marry way," not "merry way?"
|I didn't know Freud was a X-dresser.... (nm)||grzy|
Apr 16, 2002 1:40 PM
|there's a big difference between sex and making love||Tig|
Apr 16, 2002 2:10 PM
|And for those who don't know the difference... well, they've missed out and I feel sorry for them. If you feel it to be important to honor her commitment of celibacy, then by all means don't listen to the above statements to "dump her".
Personally, I'd rather test ride a bike before I bought it!
|there's a big difference between sex and making love||tz|
Apr 17, 2002 5:24 AM
|If he "honors her commitment of celibacy" why is he then thinking about cycling while talking to his loved one?|
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||MikeC|
Apr 16, 2002 3:32 PM
|I can't let this thread end with the message that EVERYONE thinks it's stupid to wait for marriage. If you're the one she ends up marrying, you might well be very glad that she didn't "test ride" everything in sight...
As for religion, I don't think it was mentioned as the reason, although if it is, that's fine, too.
It's funny how a lot of free thinkers get all uptight when people try to tell them what to do, then make fun of anyone who doesn't act just like them.
|I'm with you||terry b|
Apr 16, 2002 5:14 PM
|While I was a regular 20-something guy once who thought I'd never marry a woman that had not been "tested", becoming the father of two teenage girls changed that. I think it is pretty darn admirable of a young woman to take that stand and it's pretty darn noble of a young man to respect it, ignoring the advice to "dump her." While the analogy of not buying a 5k bike without a test ride is both ignorant and demeaning, I'll bear with it for a moment - the last 3 bikes I've bought fit that description, were bought via mail order, "unridden" and guess what, fit like a glove. But then, I know what kind of bike I need and thats what I shopped for.
I'm sitting here wondering just how "sexually compatible" all those 16 year old gang bangers pushing the stroller around my local mall are. Thank God they had an opportunity for a "test ride."
|You totally missed the point||Lazywriter|
Apr 16, 2002 6:14 PM
|When I was referring to a "test ride" I meant adult relationships. Your frame of reference will be your teenage daughters of course. However, think back when you were a teenage boy. If a girl offered sex, would you have turned it down and said "no that is not appropriate and I am saving myself". If it were you, then you are one of a billion or just plain retarded. And I hate to tell you that most teenage girls nowadays aren't pure. Blowjobs are like the modern day hand holding and girls are just as aggressive as guys nowadays if not worse. I am a Gen Xer and can assure you that this is true of "MOST" people. Don't let your daughters go away to college because it is all the goodie-goodies that wind up being the freaks.
If you were to get divorced now or lose your wife, would you remarry without having sex with the woman first? Why wait if you are 2 consenting adults? Why is it taking a "stand" to not have sex and wait? It is 2002 fella, times have changed a long time ago and with role model like Britney Spears out there, it is better for guys because the girls keep getting sluttier. You bring up the other extreme promiscuity which clouds the issue of this guy having to wait.
As an adult, I feel it is necessary to know what you are getting before marriage.
Hell, what if you got married and you found that she has a bigger penis than you???
Apr 16, 2002 6:40 PM
|That's it, sheesh.|
|You totally missed the point?!?!?!?||bic|
Apr 16, 2002 7:57 PM
|Gee, just when I was feeling bad because I gave you a hard time about your 30% stiffer in the BB post you go and do it again. "It is 2002 fella, times have changed a long time ago and with role model like Britney Spears out there, it is better for guys because the girls keep getting sluttier" Gosh I would love to hear you repeat that line just before you ask that someone you love to marry you. Oh, oh, of course you won't marry a "slut".|
|I don't discriminate I like "sluts"||Lazywriter|
Apr 16, 2002 8:05 PM
|you see I don't agree with the double standard. If a woman want to sleep around, that is her choice I don't judge. It doesnt make her a inherently bad, just horny. Nothing better than a woman enthusiastic for some Scwheenie.
And you guys know I am right about women today. I may see a more independent and tougher version as I live in and around New York City, but these women will eat you up. They totally flip the roles here to the aggressor. For all you midwest glad that a woman married you slobs, you may not understand. llighten up
|By the way||Lazywriter|
Apr 16, 2002 8:06 PM
|You were totally wrong about the 30% stiffer which I knew all along. Man, I am such a prick aren't I?|
|By the way||bic|
Apr 16, 2002 8:14 PM
|no just stupid opps sorry I meant ignorant. I don't live in the midwest. and you still have not explained your statement that one of your LS"s is 30% stiffer then the other and that most of it is in the BB.|
|How many times do I have to say that||Lazywriter|
Apr 17, 2002 7:03 PM
|I said LS estimated that the Vortex was 30% stiffer and I can only go by road feel and the Vortex is substantially stiffer. Why is that so hard to believe???? Aren't some bikes made stiffer than others or are they all the same???
The Vortex is way stiffer than my Classic but the latter is just as good a bike.
|You totally dont have a point||ripper|
Apr 17, 2002 12:29 AM
|im not proud to be grouped into gen-x with that guy. its attitudes like that which make "the greatest generation" a past tense term.
hmmm....sexual revolution and women acting like loosly moraled men sexually ..... positive step toward stable marriages and family? come on fella...times have indeed changed...and it sure as hell doesn't appear to be for the better.
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||tz|
Apr 17, 2002 5:40 AM
|First of all, "free-thinkers" are open to all ideas. The difference between them and fanatics of all kinds is that a freethinker listens to everyone, and analyzes, then comes to conclusions.
Second, where do you think whole concept of celibacy came from, if not from religious teachings? From Chairman Mao?
Third, you have completely misunderstood me about the whole "waiting" thing. I don't think that it is stupid to wait for marriage if it makes both of you happy. If, however, this waiting period affects your relationship in a negative way, then you should consider changing something.
And finally, I don't see anything wrong with a woman "test riding everything in sight" and making her own choice of sexual/spiritual partner. The idea that a husband must be woman's first sexual partner also has a religious background, and results in lots and lots of dissatisfied couples.
|QUESTION FOR HIKERYYANK||I Love Shimano|
Apr 16, 2002 6:00 PM
|How do you deal with the "saving myself for marriage" thing? My gf is saying the same thing, and I am finding it hard to abstain. We haven't done it for more than a eyar already!|
|QUESTION FOR HIKERYYANK||hikerryank|
Apr 16, 2002 7:23 PM
|I've only been dealing with it for about three months now. I usually went out with girls who didn't wait too long, so it was a little different. I guess it is just a question as to what she is willing to do. Being in Student Affairs, I'll give you the typical answer of make sure you have good communication and an understanding of how each of you is affected by what is going on. My GF just got a job in Texas starting in June, so it has been somewhat on a downhill slide anyway. My best solution is just to ride the bike whenever you feel you should be doing "other things." I like sprints because you feel so bad after that all you can think of is keeping your lunch down. |
|A year w/o sex!!! If you can do that, you can do anything (nm)||tz|
Apr 17, 2002 6:08 AM
|QUESTION FOR I Love Shimano||vitusdude|
Apr 17, 2002 8:11 AM
|So you been seeing this girl for a year, and you are not having sex? How old are you guys? As an old married guy I find this all perplexing?|
|QUESTION FOR I Love Shimano||hikerryank|
Apr 17, 2002 8:33 AM
|23 years under the belt for me. |
|QUESTION FOR I Love Shimano||I Love Shimano|
Apr 17, 2002 6:11 PM
|I am 23 years old.
My gf abstains from sex because she says it is wrong to do it outside of marriage. IMO, she is being a bit too religious!
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 16, 2002 6:28 PM
|Nah, give it a few years. You will soon understand.|
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||crosscut|
Apr 16, 2002 6:38 PM
|My wife said that if I didn't stop riding so much, she was going to leave me.
God...I'm going to miss her.
|re: Follow up to "Bike or Sex"||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 17, 2002 3:48 AM
|I can relate to that, but I probably won't miss her too much.|
Apr 17, 2002 7:59 AM
|Since you and your GF are not actually having sex, your thread should more aptly be called: Bike or Not-Sex. That's an easy one: Bike.|| |