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Paris Roubaix (spoiler)(26 posts)

Paris Roubaix (spoiler)lnin0
Apr 14, 2002 7:57 AM
What an increadable ride by Museeuw. The 36 year old is amazing and gives hope to all of the older riders out there. He was a machine.

It was also nice to see USPS make the podium, just too bad it wasn't an American. I was actually rooting for Rodriguez.

Tom Boonen was so deserving of that 3rd place after putting in the best ride of his young career. I wish he could have pulled off 2nd.

Hincapie, well, what can you say? The guy is not a leader he is an excuse. I am sure he will be complaining about the car being in the way even though he was beat 20 miles before that incedent. Just like last year - when he had nobody to help...well, he had help this year. He just is not a winner. He should have been the person attacking instead of watching Meseeuw ride away. He sure didn't pay attention to any of Lance's advice and grab the bull by the horn.
Hey guys, your opinion. Should Boonen have waited...JBurton
Apr 14, 2002 8:04 AM
for Hincapie after he crashed? This could have at least proven to be a second and third for Postal...whaddya think?
no waylnin0
Apr 14, 2002 8:17 AM
It was not as if Hincapie just had a mechanical and stopped. He went over in a ditch. For all Boonen knew he could have been hurt or his bike damaged. By waiting Boonen could have easily jeapordized any podium chances for USPS.

I also think Boonen did slow down some to see if George would catch back up and instead ended up with Wesemann taking 2nd from him.

What if George and Boonen did stay together for 2nd and 3rd. Do you think Hincapie would have shown himself to be the classic gentleman and let Boonen take a well deserved 2nd??
no wayMeMyselfandI
Apr 14, 2002 8:27 AM
Did Wesemann catch Hincapie before he was out of the ditch? They showed Wesemann catching a USPS, whom they said was Hincapie, but later turned out to be Boonen.
The USPS that was caught was Boonen...JBurton
Apr 14, 2002 8:31 AM
Paul and Phil were a bit confused at first as to which rider actually crashed, and when a Telekom rider caught a Postal rider, they assumed it was Hincapie. I'm not sure if Wesemann actually passed Hincapie while he was still in the ditch. They didn't show it on the tube.
no wayBruno S
Apr 14, 2002 9:57 AM
No. Wesemann catched Hincapie first a few minues after he fell. It took him still a while to catch Boonen.
tough choiceKenS
Apr 14, 2002 10:24 AM
Hincapie's crash looked pretty dramatic but Boonen didn't look like he was content with playing the role of a domestique. I am glad that Hincapie could come back as well as he did.
don't forgetlonefrontranger
Apr 14, 2002 11:00 AM
Wesemann was the guy who finished 7th last year by essentially riding the final 60K one-legged. It pained me to see him getting dropped in every corner/attack, then timetrialling back up to the break every time. He's a hardass without a doubt. I don't think we should take that away from him. His placing was well-deserved, and I doubt ANYONE could have beaten Museeuw today, he was so ungodly strong. You only had to watch how much he can accelerate in proportion to the other riders in the hard sections of pave'. He is truly the current king of the cobbles.

George was suffering from stomach flu right before what was a very hard effort at Milan San-Remo. IMO he definitely didn't look as strong this year as last, especially through the Arenberg - he wasn't making as many strong moves, and didn't have the speed on the attacks.

Museeuw was the man of the day. If George can ever get the combo of top form and luck on his side, he'll win. P-R is a daggone lottery, and anyone who finishes top-10 is a true toughman.

The revelation of the day was definitely Boonen. Once George went in the ditch, it was Boonen's JOB to salvage a podium spot for the team, and you'd better bet that's what Bruyneel was screaming in his ear as he motored away. He'd already ridden Hincapie slightly off his wheel in a couple of hard pulls, so he was obviously the stronger rider at that time. He's a Belgian, riding a huge, epic and legendary race in front of a home crowd - don't you think that's a big adrenaline boost that probably literally carried him thru the final 40 kilometers?

What a storybook finish for the kid. 21-year-old neo-pros just don't even finish major classics, much less podium in the Hell of the North. My hat's off to Postal for picking up this prodigy.
you nailed it (nm)RideLots
Apr 14, 2002 3:36 PM
Exactly (nm)look271
Apr 14, 2002 3:45 PM
I dunno.Sintesi at home
Apr 14, 2002 5:38 PM
George is very good but he doesn't seem like a big time winner to me. I think he'll get another classic before his career is over but like you say it will be because of luck. Guys like Museeuw can just take over a race by force of will and George doesn't appear to me to have that fire. After Ghent-Wevelghem, I think the expectations from US Postal ramped up significantly: They improved the squad to help him, Lance is now riding for him like he is the captain, and I think this new pressure on George is going to knock him out. I dunno if he's got the ego for the role.

We will see. But you make an excellent point that George is an admirable rider.
yeah but does he have "it"?cyclopathic
Apr 14, 2002 6:00 PM
anyways if not George it will be Tom
MAybe it'll be Tom...Velocipedio
Apr 15, 2002 3:46 AM
But how long do you think he'll stay at Postal? The team keeps hemhorraging talent in the transfer season; there are some Belgian, northern French and Dutch teams looking to replace ageing warhorses and fallen wunderkinds; if I was a Belgian kid, I'd want to play on the home team.

Besides, it will dawn on Boonen before too long that, on Postal, a foreigner will always be a domestique, at beat a glorified domestique like Heras.
well he is Belgiancyclopathic
Apr 15, 2002 9:21 AM
and Bruyneel is belgian too, so it is as simple.

USPS is trying to shake off "one pony one race" image, which they've been criticized for. Look how many riders left them (and how many pooped them after). If they won't have other riders like Heras succeeding in Vuelta, Tour stages and/or classics they won't be able to sign up anyone.

Second, if something happens to Lance (injury, caught on drug use or looses this tour) there won't be any team left so it does make sense to diversify investment. How many tours do you think Lance has left in him?

Still agree with your assessment, Tom will never cut #1 in USPS. But if they let him have classics and pay him well he might be happy for a few years. Afterall he won't have a name for some time and even if he goes to other team he'll be pretty much in the same position.
Oh George...mr_spin
Apr 15, 2002 7:04 AM
I've been a longtime defender of George because I think he does have the ability to win a World Cup race. But I'm starting to wonder if he relies more on bad luck striking his opponents rather than good tactics. I don't think he can go it alone. I kept waiting for him to go on the attack after Museeuw took off. Maybe he doesn't catch him (no way, no how) but what good does it do to sit in the pack? He has to take the initiative. There were no attacks from him at any point until the pack got wiped out behind him and he and Boonen took off. Hardly an attack, but at least the opportunity was seized. Too bad for George--it was looking like a major USPS victory with 2nd and 3rd. George can climb better than most sprinters, so maybe a race like Liege, Zurich, or San Sebastian is possible for him. He did real well in Zurich last year.

What a find in Boonen! 21 years old and on the podium of P-R. This could be another Lance Armstrong (21 when he won the World's).
yep, and...Wannabe
Apr 15, 2002 6:19 AM
Maybe GH was still a bit tired from G-W? Of the top finishers in P-R, only GH was also a top finsiher in G-W... I think the hard week just took it's toll and he ran out of gas at the end. That ditch crash, didn't look like bad luck to me, looked like a tired rider crash. I know I've lost concentration when totally exhausted and riden onto the shoulder. Just the consequences weren't as bad as doing it in the north of France on wet roads.

GH is still "young" for a classics champion. Don't worry until he hits 33 without a win...

Andy
tired rider crashlonefrontranger
Apr 15, 2002 8:06 AM
funny, that's exactly what it looked like to me, too, a complete brain fart. I've done the same in MTB enduros where I did stupid stuff like overshot a switchback on a descent, because I was so battered, sleep-deprived and numb I forgot to steer. The brain says "hey, there's a problem here", but the synapses just don't quite make the connection.

GH usually knows better than to ride the ruts on the side. He was starting to get that hunchbacked miserable look that says you're not strong enough anymore to float your butt a couple millimeters off the saddle as you smoothly turn a big gear. Watch Museeuw, he's the king of suspension. If you've never ridden long stretches of washboard, rough hardpack or pave' forget it, because you don't know what I'm talking about.

For all-out bike handling, Tafi gets my consolation prize. He totally lost his front wheel at one point and was practially horizontal AND diagonal in front of the 2nd chase group, and somehow saved it with catlike reflexes, at speed, on greasy wet pave. And no one else ran into him. We are truly not worthy.
I caught that tooRay Sachs
Apr 15, 2002 8:46 AM
He was so completely down that it almost looked like he must have hit and bounced back up, but he didn't. Just shot across the road and popped back up. I don't even think he lost his place in the group. Truly amazing!

-Ray
TafiWannabe
Apr 15, 2002 8:53 AM
Yeah, I almost forgot about that Tafi stunt. That truly was incredible.

Andy
Boonen was given the green light!Cactus1
Apr 15, 2002 5:29 AM
At velonews, Boonen was told by the USPS director to leave hincapie behind and go for a podium finish. Boonen didn't know what to do.

USPS should've scored 2nd, 3rd, if not for hincapie's fall. No shame on Hincapie. He didn't have his best legs on sunday. That happens to everyone. Johan was stronger than everyone.

Boonen is a rising star. If he is developed properly, he could be exceptional.
re: Paris Roubaix (spoiler)MeMyselfandI
Apr 14, 2002 8:29 AM
Thank you for not posting results in the topic header. No one on this board seems to understand that spoiling like that is very rude.
Hincappie was heard to say after the race.....Spirito
Apr 14, 2002 10:01 AM
"life is a ditch sometimes!"

sorry, couldn't resist. i feel sorry for him :-(

is anyone really gonna but one of them metal detectors? why market it to cyclists? are we gonna find a campy 50th anniversary groupset in those fields surrounding the paris-roubaix route?
According to the commercial that metal detector is....Djudd
Apr 14, 2002 10:11 AM
a good way to lose weight, something all riders are interested in, I guess that's the hook...hmmm
the guy in the ad didn't exactly appear to be slim ;-)NmSpirito
Apr 14, 2002 10:23 AM
true, but he did deliver this rather dubious line...Djudd
Apr 14, 2002 10:31 AM
"my wife is really proud of the way of I have lost weight" hey where is this crit, that LA is supposed to show at in NYC.. I heard in the business district.
Wall Street area in early Aug.Sintesi at home
Apr 14, 2002 11:25 AM
Keep an eye on his site for details.