|Litespeed Ultimate vs. Vortex||doggintx|
Apr 9, 2002 9:37 AM
|Planning to buy either one - have put 200+ test miles in on the Ultimate but none on the Vortex yet. Has anyone rode both? Which would be better for speed & comfort on 50-60 mile hard club rides? So far the Ultimate's been great - super fast, handles like it's on rails, and the new carbon rear seat stay provides just enough dampening of road shock. It's gonna be hard to give the bike back to the LBS!! Is this bike just for crit racing?|
|They're both pretty stiff from my understanding.||Sintesi|
Apr 9, 2002 10:03 AM
|I've not ridden either but I always understood the Ultimate to be a super stiff crit bike and the Vortex is the pro level road racer. They are both 6/4 ti but my guess is the ultimate is quite a bit stiffer (and consequently harsher in the long run) than the Vortex. I think the Ultimate has 39cm stays or something. That makes for a pretty tight rear end.|
|VOrtex is gonna be more compliant||ColnagoFE|
Apr 9, 2002 12:08 PM
|also the geometry is a bit different. The Ultimate was/is more of a "crit" bike with short stays and quick handling.|
|I'm curious as to the rationale of most Vortex buyers||ET|
Apr 9, 2002 1:03 PM
|I mean, if you got Tuscany instead of Vortex (for thousands less, as if anyone ever cares), do you think your bike would perform like doggy-do on that club ride?|
|I'm curious as to the rationale of most Vortex buyers||doggintx|
Apr 9, 2002 1:29 PM
|Logic, eh? I started with the Tuscany and then switched to the Ultimate for it's more aggressive geometry and carbon stays. I'm comparing it to the Vortex because its about the same price as the Ultimate. I love the Ultimate's ride ... just don't want to pigeon-hole myself with a crit-only ride. It sounds like the Vortex is more compliant. The Ultimate is a bit hard on rough roads.|
|try persuading RR buyers to downgrade to a Lexus first. nm||elviento|
Apr 9, 2002 2:47 PM
|I recently got the Vortex and||Lazywriter|
Apr 9, 2002 3:53 PM
|if you are looking for a more versatile bike, then I would go for the Vortex. You should test ride it obviously to be sure, but as much as I love the Ultimate with the new carbon stays, I like the better all around nature of the Vortex. It will be lighter as well by at least 1/2 pound which is significant as far as bike weight is concerned.
I find the Vortex plenty stiff and proof that is is a great all arounder is in the Lotto teams early success this year. The 6-4 stiffens the ride, but the shaping down near the bb is the key. I have the LS Classic as well and the Vortex is much stiffer, but nearly as compliant in that the stiffness is concentrated in the bb to make it an excellent sprinting bike when it has to be.
The Ultimate is a specialty bike and if you don't race crits, there are better choices. I am sure though that if anyone gets used to the way it rides, it can be ridden comfortably in centuries but the Vortex without question would be more versatile.
Apr 9, 2002 7:15 PM
"It will be lighter as well by at least 1/2 pound which is significant as far as bike weight is concerned."
According to Colorado Cyclist (not the best source I admit), the 2002 Ultimate weighs 3 lbs. 2 oz for a 55 cm frame where as the Vortex weight 3 lbs. 1 oz for the same frame size. How is it that you are comming up with "at least" a 1/2 lbs. weight difference?
Further, 6/4 Ti is not a stiffer material than 3/2.5. It is stronger but not stiffer.
Apr 10, 2002 9:43 AM
|thanks to higher ultimate strength 6/4 tubing can and is made bigger and it makes stiffer frame. UR correct, diff Ti alloys do not significantly differ in stiffness.|
Apr 10, 2002 11:50 AM
|So what are the down tube diameters for both the Vortex and Tuscany? I haven't measured them myself but they look very similar.|
|re: Litespeed Ultimate vs. Vortex||kelty|
Apr 9, 2002 7:10 PM
|The ULTIMATE is made for speed and nothing else. The vortex is made for speed and everthing else. If you liked the ultimate ride you'll love the vortex ride!|| |