|Hincapie needs to find another team||Largo|
Apr 8, 2002 1:18 PM
|Gotta vent about this.
He needs to get on a team that has the riders who are able/willing to be there with him at the end (a la Mapei) to give him the support he deserves in the classics.
The guy is at his prime for these sorts of races and it sucks to see him wasteing his time on a one trick pony like USPS. How long will he be content being LA's TDF domestique?
Hope to see things work out better for him at P-R, but if he's up against 2 or more team mates at the end, lookout.
|re: Hincapie needs to find another team||key|
Apr 8, 2002 1:38 PM
|I guess you could apply the same logic to Van Petegrem and Museeuw, who each had no team mates. In fact the two Belgims were working together, maybe we need more Americans. Hincapie was in a great spot and his team did a very good job. Lets see what he and the team does at PR this weekend.
|Just my thoughts||Troyboy|
Apr 8, 2002 1:44 PM
|I'm not sure if riding for any other team at all would have automatically put him in the win at Flanders. It's hard to go up against any other team with a numbers advantage, especially that of Mapei. I can't say that if he were riding for Bonjour or Coast or Euskatel things would have been any different. Telekom couldn't get Zabel into the win. Should he change too? Perhaps so.
I understand the point of what you're saying is though. What if he were to to Telekom? I don't think he'd see much support there. My guess would be even less. Would CSC Tiscali be able to give him good enough support? Who knows?
It is my understanding that Lance gave Hincapie all the support he could, being his strength is not leadouts. Watching or reading Eurosport, he was there til the bitter end, perhaps longer than a 3 time TdF should have been.
There is a huge difference between a team like the Posties and that of Mapei. I've heard the ridiculous figures Mapei shells out for that entire team. We'd be paying $10.95 per stamp if the Postal service were to fund a team that large, that traveled all over the world and that full of talent.
|Just my thoughts||kyroadie|
Apr 9, 2002 7:54 AM
|I bet Mapei would swap all their one day race wins for 3 consecutive tour wins. Go George!|
|find another cause||mr_spin|
Apr 8, 2002 2:02 PM
|Man, is this a tired thread already. The old USPS doesn't support George thread. The season has officially begun.
USPS gave George great support yesterday. He got 4th place! Sure, they didn't have another guy up with him, but there were also two other guys up there without teammates. Maybe they should get another team. Hell, why don't these losers band together and form their own invincible team?
The truth is, not far behind was Lance and Tom Boonen, who were helping to control the chasers. What are they supposed to do, bridge up to George and drag everyone else in the race along? Do you think the peloton would let Lance and George go off together? Or George and any USPS rider? All the top guys feared him. Fact is, George got into the winning break and tried to play the guys off against each other. It was the right strategy for the situation. He came up short against at least one legend and a couple of heavyweights. That's racing.
|find another cause||Troyboy|
Apr 8, 2002 2:05 PM
|Thank you for the accuracy||Tig|
Apr 8, 2002 2:16 PM
|You have a much better grip on GH's situation, what the USPS team actually did to put him in the winning break, and general racing strategies than the original poster has.
George is receiving better team support each year than the previous year. His 2nd place in PR last year says quite a lot about the team, as does his 4th yesterday. Back when he was more a sprinter than a classics rider, he would have been able to win the sprint (even though he could never have been in the position to be so close in the old days). Armstrong and Boonen rode hard to support him yesterday. I doubt he could get the same respect from many other teams he could be on. I hope he can win PR this year!
|4th place is the 3rd loser||Largo|
Apr 8, 2002 2:19 PM
|Hey, don't get your shorts in a knot, i'm not slagging USPS.
They are an amazing team at the tours, but they are not a classics oriented team.
Hincapie is a good(potentially great) classics rider.
Mapei is a classics oriented team.
Who won with 2 team mates to work together? Mapei.
In these races, no one remembers second place, never mind 4th.
Lotto, was missing 2 big names for this race, or things MIGHT have been different.
Imagine Tchmil and PvanP working a winning break?
Of course the others aren't going to try to bridge up, that would be ridiculous.
The right strategy for the occasion? It was the only strategy for that occasion.
They needed another man in the break, and they missed it.
Mind you, we can only speculate what their plan was. I just enjoy venting.
And speaking of tired threads, how about the 1001 "my first century" post.
|Man, this thread bashing is OLD||holier than thou|
Apr 8, 2002 3:09 PM
|Not everyone sits on the board all day, and/or knows all of the previous threads posted. Thus, you will have repeats!
Deal with it - or better yet, don't.
(For being so tired of the thread, you sure had a lot to say there, mr spin.)
|Give me a break.||JS|
Apr 8, 2002 2:39 PM
|Hincapie need to find some tactical sense and a little guts to attack. He sits and waits for stuff to happen while guys like Tafi go on the offensive....and win. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Tom Boonen, Hincapies new teammate will win a classic before George does. George is the new Max Sciandri, it's always someone elses fault he didn't win.|
|Now THATS what i'm talking about!||Largo|
Apr 8, 2002 3:39 PM
|Right on, someone expressing their OWN opinion without getting all catty!
The guys got the talent, but he sort of blew it there.
Tafi must have been giddy when he looked back and saw them pussyfooting around.
I'll disagree about nothing ventured....
He was pretty much hosed with 2 Mapei guys there.
If he chased, he would have set 'em up, and i don't think he could have beat JM, although i would love to be proved wrong.
By the way, thanks for that holier than thou, i for one don't spend much time here at all, so am not up on the threads that have been beat to death.
I just come here looking for some good, healthy discussion.
I will eat my words regarding USPS if GH wins the PR.
I'll have a smile a mile wide while i do it.
|The new Sciandri?||McAndrus|
Apr 9, 2002 4:28 AM
|A light just went on in my head. I am a huge George fan but the comparison to Max seems very apt. I hope in time, George proves us wrong.|
|What's Bruyneel Doing During This??||chopper|
Apr 8, 2002 3:07 PM
|I'm assuming they had radios during the RVV, so my question is what kind of advice is Bruyneel giving him during the closing Kilometers?|
|What's Bruyneel Doing During This??||I Love Shimano|
Apr 8, 2002 6:46 PM
|"Gearge, you ar ethe strongest man here. You will win this race. Venga venga venga! Don't panic Don't panic Don't panic!"|
|Too Funny. Big LOL! (nm)||Sintesi|
Apr 9, 2002 6:07 AM
|re: Hincapie needs to find another team||yeah right|
Apr 8, 2002 5:51 PM
|So lets say there's only on Mapei guy in the group, say Tafi isn't even there, Hincapie sprints... for third. Domo dominates P-R, and USPS isn't working hard enough for GH, Mapei is the only team with two in the break in Flanders, so Tafi wins, but where is Lance? In Ghent-Whelgem, or however you spell that race, he won by only a tire over Van Bon. I think Hincapie is a fine rider, and respected by the best, but he has to finish better regardless of who is in the mix. I wouldn't say USPS is the problem.|
|He can ride for Radical Ron's Cycling Team anytime!||RadicalRonPruitt|
Apr 8, 2002 6:35 PM