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Seven Odonata Steel, Pinarello Opera, Colnago Ct-1(20 posts)

Seven Odonata Steel, Pinarello Opera, Colnago Ct-1Franchise
Apr 2, 2002 4:22 AM
Does anyone have any experience with Seven Odonata Steel, Axiom Steel, Pinarello Opera, or Colnago CT-1 framesets? Any feedback would be much appreciated! Thanks!

Also, I was wondering about weight. Are all of these framsets comparable weights? Just wondering. Planning on building up with a Chorus/Record mix and Ksyriums.
re: CT-1djg
Apr 2, 2002 7:26 AM
I've been riding a CT-1 for a few months now--not all that many road miles through the winter but I think it's a great bike thus far. Light, responsive, and pretty comfortable besides. I haven't been on the other bikes you mention. Seen 'em, but that's all. I cannot give you a gram weight for the Colnago other than to point you to the web site--bought mine with the bb already installed and never weighed it anyway. It's pretty light--with the force fork, record & Ks it built up noticeably lighter than the OCLV I sold--but if absolute minimum weight is your be all and end all, you can likely get something a bit lighter (ok, I know you can). To me, the Axiom Steel seems a bit pricey for a tig welded steel frame, but that's not to say it won't be a good bike. People who own Sevens seem happy with them, I just don't have any experience other than having looked at them.

Incidentally, European Colnago prices are VASTLY cheaper than US prices, if that's an issue.

No doubt, this post will be followed by 23 (all from the same person) assailing the russian ti in the Colnago frames. Mine looks real nice, and I haven't noticed any problems in mine--viz. the ride or the appearance--or the others I've seen, but everyone needs a mission in life.
re: CT-1Franchise
Apr 2, 2002 9:25 AM
DJG,

Thanks for the input. I'm not that worried about weight, but I am concerned about fit. I have Pinarello Prince 56cm with a 110 stem, and my local Colnago dealer put me on a 56cm Colnago. I didn't say anything at the time, but I thought I would need a 57cm or 58 cm the way Colnago measures their frames.

European prices? Where exactly? Did you find your bike overseas?
Englanddjg
Apr 2, 2002 10:04 AM
I bought my frame and fork from maestro-uk and would have no qualms about recommending them to others(the proprietor is Mike Perry). Mike was very decent to deal with--straightforward, reliable, and well-informed. And his Colnago prices were about half of US retail. He also carries De Rosa and Ciocc.

And you're right that Colnago measures to the bottom of the seat-tube collar, which on my frame is a centimeter above the top of the top tube (so the 56 is basically a 55 cm seat tube and a 55 cm top tube).
LOL on the JAJohnG
Apr 3, 2002 6:38 AM
Way funny comment about our local JackAss poster.

I've got about 2K miles on my two month old CT1 and I'm more and more amazed by it every day. It really is a superb riding frame. Mines buit with Full Record and weighs about 16.5#.

ride on
JohnG
Check out this month's CycleSportPaulCL
Apr 2, 2002 7:42 AM
The magazine has a review of every bike out there and comments and, I believe, built-up weights. Maybe its' a start.

By the way, I have a Ti Colnago and love it.
Check out this month's CycleSportFranchise
Apr 2, 2002 9:25 AM
Thanks, I'll try and pick an issue up ASAP!
Frame Specs...Pedal Jockey
Apr 2, 2002 7:50 AM
The Seven Odonata Steel is between 3lbs and 4lbs depending on the size you need. Seven's website has all of the information.

The Opera is 2.86lbs according to CBike, but that's assuming a 55cm or 56cm frame.

The CT1 is 2.80lbs on a 55cm also according to CBike.

Your choice of frames is a very good start, as all are excellent in build and ride quality. The big question is, of course, fit. The Seven can be custom fit for you, but the others are more or less stock geometries that may or may not suit your dimensions. Try to ride them all first, but what ever you decide on you will be very happy with the results.

PJ
Frame Specs...Franchise
Apr 2, 2002 9:27 AM
PJ,

Thanks for the information. As for geometries, I already have a Pinarello Prince 56cm ,and I love the fit. The top tube is 56cm, and I am very spread out and comfortable. I think that I'd need a 58 cm Colnago.

Do you think the Opera is rust proofed?
Rust proofing...Pedal Jockey
Apr 2, 2002 9:57 AM
I cannot say if the Opera has been treated for rust proofing. I always go under the assumption that the frame will rust if not cared for properly. I have only owned steel frames, and I care for them accordingly to inhibit rust proliferation.

Let us know how things go.

PJ
Rust proofing...Pedal Jockey
Apr 2, 2002 12:02 PM
I cannot say if the Opera has been treated for rust proofing. I always go under the assumption that the frame will rust if not cared for properly. I have only owned steel frames, and I care for them accordingly to inhibit rust proliferation.

Let us know how things go.

PJ
re: Seven Odonata Steel, Pinarello Opera, Colnago Ct-1gtx
Apr 2, 2002 9:08 AM
all great options, but if you want US-built custom steel, there are tons of other great bikes out there for less. Also, depending where you live, you might have a great local builder that you could work with face to face. Good luck and have fun!
re: Seven Odonata Steel, Pinarello Opera, Colnago Ct-1Franchise
Apr 2, 2002 9:29 AM
Do you have any recommendations? I live in the Midwest, and I do not know of any local builders. Please let me know if you have any names or contact information. Thanks!
re: Seven Odonata Steel, Pinarello Opera, Colnago Ct-1gtx
Apr 2, 2002 9:47 AM
Tom Teesdale is in Iowa--very experienced builder with very reasonable pricing. tetcycles.com My favorite tig steel builder is Brent Steelman in Redwood City, CA steelmancycles.com. There are tons of others, though. If you have the $$$ and want lugs, be sure to check out Richard Sachs. richardsachs.com
Operaterry b
Apr 2, 2002 9:50 AM
second season on my 56cm and I love it, by far my favorite ride.

custom is also an alternative - I just started working with Carl Strong and I'm very impressed. turns out his calculated build is extremely close to the rack build with the Opera. Price-wise a custom from him is turning out to be within 200 bucks of the Pinarello. http://www.strongframes.com
question...dustin73
Apr 2, 2002 11:36 AM
wouldn't the ride characteristics of those bikes be different? i mean, Ti compared to steel/carbon to steel/more carbon to steel? argh, in other words, wouldn't it be better to possibly ride them yourself to decide, especially since those are all high dollar bikes?

if i were you, i'd go custom steel. one of my LBSs had an Odonata, C-40, and the owner's Steelman (equiped with full Record) in the shop one day. damn, that was quite the stable. i dug the simplistic look of the Steelman, though.
Ride 'em, if you get the chance....tma
Apr 2, 2002 12:37 PM
You sort of have to ride them and keep track of the fork, wheels and tires you compare. Rip down a hill, rip up a hill, go zonal in a long straight and take them into a parking lot to carve ninety degree corners at speed.

And don't leave the Serotta CSI out of your figuring unless you're sensitive to the "old guy" stereotype they seem to bear. I couldn't be happier with mine. It rides smooth over broken pavement, turns precisely and if there are climbing limitations they're mine, not the bike's.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these as long as a test ride makes you feel good.
Different ride characteristicsmass_biker
Apr 2, 2002 3:50 PM
Each of them are excellent frames, but would probably give you quite different rides. The Seven can be custom tailored to your exact fit (if you are hard to fit). The Colnago's top tube runs shorter than most US bikes in a similar size - not a problem for me (I ride a Master X Light). Don't know anything about the Opera, but I have lusted after a Pinarello ever after seeing Alexi Grewal take Gold in LA on a Pinarello.

Regarding weight - one thing to consider with all these bikes is how light they "ride" vs. how light they feel when you pick them up. The Colnago is beautifully balanced, yet tuned for racing. In or out of the saddle, you have never felt so much joy. And I can honestly say that I am yet to find a bike that handles out of the saddle bursts with as much aplomb, panache, and grace as a 'Nago.

One of the later posts referenced rustproofing. Any good LBS that you buy a steel bike from would be able to Framesave your bike.

MB
TT NOT shorter on the medium and small Colnago framesJohnG
Apr 3, 2002 6:42 AM
For the mid to small size frames (<57cm) the Colnagos run increasing long effective TT's. The smallest Colnagos have VERY long effective TT's. A shame really as they are not appropriate for most short torso'd people.

Do a search on this issue and you'll get the skinny
JohnG
Quite rightmass_biker
Apr 3, 2002 5:31 PM
Mine is a 58. My teammate got a 56 or something and the TT is surprisingly long. Good clarification.

MB