|Feels good to be in the club||MikeC|
Mar 29, 2002 6:36 AM
|It's 50 degrees at 8 am in South Jersey, and the sun's shining. Good Friday, and traffic's light. But I'm in my car heading to work.
Lot of cyclists out this morning, all soloing. Trek OCLV. Serotta. Litespeed. Older Bianchi. Another OCLV.
Maybe it's the sunshine, but it seems that all of the riders are dressed in bright jerseys. A lot of team kits. Lots of fully-accessorized high-buck metal and composites.
Then I realized something. I didn't look at any of those people and think "poseur." I only saw men and women pounding pedals and raising a morning sweat. Just strangers in lycra telling the world that they're not only unashamed to do things differently, but they're actually proud of it. People in their uniforms doing one of the things that helps define who they are.
Maybe it's the sunshine, but there's nothing and no one that can make me feel cynical about cycling today. It feels good to be in the club.
|im more cynical...||SteveO|
Mar 29, 2002 7:12 AM
|my immediate reaction was 'OCLV? Serotta? Litespeed? Bianchi? Why is it i rarely see a 'serious' rider with an old Panasonic? Schwinn? even a huffy?
Do we need to spend $2000 dollars to 'enjoy' bicycling?
Do we really benefit from all the 'accessories'?
Why is it only commuting schoolchildren are capable of riding without lycra and 'jerseys'
Seems to me the people you've described are not, in fact, 'different', but rather 'the norm' in bicycling.
Just my warped perception.
|come on and admit it||ColnagoFE|
Mar 29, 2002 7:58 AM
|cycling on a lightweight modern bike is a lot more enjoyable than riding a 20 year old Schwinn Varsity. Those that are serious about the sport are bound to get good equipment for the most part. It's like a sports car enthusiast driving a Ferarri instead of a VW bug. Both will get you there but the Ferrari will be more fun to drive.|
|are you sure about that?||SteveO|
Mar 29, 2002 8:27 AM
|i see an awful lot of posts regarding people trying to get 'comfy'. 'Best saddle' 'best seatpost', 'carbon bars' 'aero bars' 'speedplay vs look vs spd', 'carbon vs ti', etc etc etc. As children, many of us spent more hours (admittingly, not miles) per week on the saddle, and enjoyed it immensely, without such technology.
Your analogy is way of base. a Ferarri outperforms a Bug my several orders of magnitude... some performance specs approaching 300 percent. Can the same be said of a litespeed over a schwinn? no.
i understand what your trying to say...and to some degree admit that some people realize benefit from hi-tech equipment. i firmly believe, however, that many more do not (especially 'recreational' or 'fitness' riders). I just see a lot of uncomfortable people, who've already spent a LOT of money, spending even MORE to keep up with the techno trend.
|You can have fun for not much money||mwood|
Mar 29, 2002 9:18 AM
|I have a total of $800 invested in TWO bikes: a Cannondale 2.8 and a Gary Fisher Big Sur.
The Cannondale was given to me, ex a wheelset. $250 worth of Mavic Cosmos and two Specialized Turbo Kevlars @ $19 each, and it is on the road. Sure, it was free, but you could find the same bike for $200 or less needing wheels.
The Gary Fisher I found when a neighborhood kid decided he would rather race BMX than ride mtb. The bike needed a new fork and wheelset, which he had sold, but the bike had less than 50 miles on it. A little shopping netted a Psylo XC for $179, Mavic 517/XT wheelset for $190 and a couple of MTB Velociraptors for $50.
Next, I spent $45 having the Cannondale fitted, which included buying a new stem for $50. With the right fit, most of the comfort related issues go out the window.
Neither bike is high tech or cutting edge, but are totally functional, a number of steps above K-mart and have been totally dependable and rock solid the last couple of years.
I often think about a new road bike, frankly, if I wanted to I could buy anything out there and it wouldn't be a big deal. But, then I go out and take another ride on the old Cannondale and think, why?
I'm not writing this to say my way is the "best" or anything, but just to illustrate that you can ride acceptable stuff, have tons of fun and not fall into "technology" for the sake of being on the "cutting edge".
Not to say that those who feel they need, and enjoy, the latest and greatest are "wrong", it is just another way to go about enjoying the sport!
|Good for you!||Slipstream|
Mar 29, 2002 9:28 AM
|It's easier for people to go out and just plunk down a bundle vs doing their homework. ...but, this is a sweeping generalization...|
|Hey if you read above||Jekyll|
Mar 29, 2002 8:37 AM
|if you get a Viner with Ultegra to replace your Trek 1000 you can pick up 10 to 15 minutes in 17.5 miles. I bet a set of aero wheels wouild kill at least another 5 minutes off that time. To hell with all of you Serotta, Trek and Colnago posers - I'm off to my closest Viner dealer and then to some D1 team try outs.. Just hope the word does not get out before I make it to the tour!|
|20 yrs ago a Panasonic cost $200, in today's dollars||Slipstream|
Mar 29, 2002 8:19 AM
|that would be around $2000 wouldn't it? Sounds like a wash to me. But, I also have a 20 yr old 531 steel that I still ride--people say what a nice bike it is. When I ride the C40, I get those ol' poser looks. I don't understand why that is simply because I valet park it at Starbucks. 'ya just can't win these days... |
btw, people probably bought all this stuff before the tech melt down so you you will probably be seeing it around for a few years, unless they need to sell it to make a mortgage payment.
|uh. no. COL doubles every 20 years. it would be cost 400.||SteveO|
Mar 29, 2002 8:31 AM
|25 years ago a chevy malibu costed 6000. by your math a entry-level chevy would now be worth 60,000?
im not knockin anyones selection on equipment; but i am knockin the belief (self assurement?) that it is necessary, or will somehow increase enjoyment
|I know what you mean-just pullin' your chain ;>0||Slipstream|
Mar 29, 2002 8:40 AM
|Hey, we are a consumer society. What you see is just that, consumerism at work. If it gets people riding then, OK. What I have observed is that each year you see a raft of new bikes. The next year you don't see those bikes very often, if at all. So, what happened: did they move? (maybe); or, is the bike just sitting in the garage somewhere? (probably) |
It is the familiar rider who has upgraded or has a new steed, that I give an approving nod to. For the others, I am just glad they are supporting my LBS.
|pull my chain all you want...||SteveO|
Mar 29, 2002 8:46 AM
|it surely wont break because its an 'old fashioned' 1/8th.
|No, probably not necessary, but.....||look271|
Mar 29, 2002 4:48 PM
|modern equipment does make it more enjoyable. I can ride farther, faster, easier on my 18lb Look than I can on my 20 something lb Nishiki. Not my belief but the hard cold truth. Nothing wrong with anything anyone rides, but newer IS better, especially equipment-wise.|
|I am doing sort of the exact thing..||Lone Gunman|
Mar 29, 2002 10:58 AM
|A few years back i spent the $2K on my Lemond. It was without a doubt the best bike I had ever owned and have ridden lots of miles and expanded my cycling horizons. I had the bike envy fever for a while, but that has broken for a look backwards into my past in reclaiming a bike from my youth and spending more to restore than I originally paid for that rig, just to have something really different to ride instead of the Lemond all the time. Seems I longer want the latest greatest, don't know why.|
|Just a few thoughts...||agilis ti|
Mar 29, 2002 5:25 PM
|First the original post mentions bikes he saw and makes no hard and fast assertions that they are the best. Secondly, I was in traffic and saw two bikers fly by this afternoon. It is 75 here in NC and all I thought was damn...lucky...b@st@rds... I ride a nice bike I have the money and I RIDE IT. To me a poser is someone that buys an expensive bike to put on top of his yakima racks or in his living room for company to look at so he can talk about riding.
Just a few weeks ago I was called a poser by a group that I passed, why because I was out on a nice bike with a team jacket on. But to me a poser is someone who could not pass a riding group heading into a 20 mile an hour headwind when it is 40 degrees out. Posers are not out on a forty degree morning working on their base mileage.
So in closing, I wish I was one of those bikers I saw today, because I had to run errands and couldn't ride despite the weather, but I will be out tomorrow morning in my team jersey working my but off. Call me a poser. Call me happy...