|help! buying frame and don't want to look like a poser||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 7:27 AM
|hi. if i'm a total newbie, would buying one of the trek oclv frames make me look like a poser?|
|Don't worry what people think!||floatch|
Mar 28, 2002 7:39 AM
|The only way I'd look at you funny is if you had never cycled before, and rode up in a flashy new weenie-suit, you know, matching helmet, jersey, shorts, socks and shoes. Buy the OCLV... I have one and I love it. If people think you're a poser, ride more and then smoke them on the next ride. If your riding buddies (or club) give you crap about having a nice bike, ride with someone else!|
Mar 28, 2002 7:47 AM
|thanks flotach. any good ideas on where to find jerseys that aren't totally lame? =). also, any great ideas on where i might find an OCLV frame used? i found a great deal on a full dura-ace group and want to find a frame. thanks!|
|What size frame do you need?||TJeanloz|
Mar 28, 2002 8:01 AM
|I might have something in the (barely) used OCLV department. Actually, I do have something, it's a 2001 56, ridden, literally ~200 miles.|
|What size frame do you need?||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 8:05 AM
|i'm going to get sized this morning. i have no idea, as i'm slightly oddly proportioned. i'm anywhere between a 56-60, i think. depends on top tube length for particular bikes. i'm 6'2'', but i have a 34-inch inseam. so i have short legs in comparison to my body. i need to see what will fit. i'm going to a shop that sells treks so i'll check the 56 this morning. how much would you want for it? email me email@example.com|
|What size frame do you need?||TJeanloz|
Mar 28, 2002 8:21 AM
|You will almost certainly need a 58 or 60. The OCLV's run on the small side of things.|
|jerseys that arent totally lame...||SteveO|
Mar 28, 2002 8:40 AM
|right in your dresser! youre allowed to ride without a 'biking' jersey.
sure, the pockets can come in handy, and wicking properties are comfortable, but save some money until you know what you want.
|Agreed - it's 'not about the bike'||rollo tommassi|
Mar 28, 2002 8:04 AM
|Sounds like you're putting together something nice - Dura Ace, etc.
Above all, make sure the frame is the right size for you. Nothing worse than a nice bike that doesn't get taken out.
As for jerseys, anything goes except for World Champion stripes!
|World Champion Jerseys||Alex-in-Evanston|
Mar 28, 2002 8:25 AM
|There was a 5 year old boy wearing a world champion jersey at Northbrook one friday. It was the cutest thing I ever saw.
BTW - have you ever seen one of those friday night 5yr. & under races? Those kiddie bikes are geared about 1/1. They spin so fast, and go so slow. It's all soooo precious.
|ok, little kids ARE exempt from posertude!||rollo tommassi|
Mar 28, 2002 8:31 AM
|Can't compete with cute!
Looks like we'll have some mild weather this weekend - if the wind is in the right direction, maybe I see you on the road? (if it's a south wind, I'll head for Indiana!)
|Cold I can live with...||Alex-in-Evanston|
Mar 28, 2002 8:46 AM
|It's been too windy recently. I pulled off the ride to take a leak at the Amoco station last Saturday. I tried to catch up for all I was worth, but the wind was killing me. It was gusting right in my face at 40mph. I never did catch them, although I was in eyeball distance for miles.
Anyway, enough about my weak bladder. I'll be at Panera Sat. and Sun. Hope to see you there.
|Nah, frames don't make posers. As a matter of fact, if you like||bill|
Mar 28, 2002 7:52 AM
|your bike and ride it, fast, slow, or in-between, you're not a poser. |
Now, I wouldn't go out and get a full USPS team kit. Remember I said that FRAMES don't make you a poser.
There are other reasons, however, not to go out and get an expensive frame first time out. You don't know what you like or want. That doesn't make you a poser (you're trying, right?), it's just a little risky, particularly if you're blowing the bank. But, you always could sell it, I guess.
Mar 28, 2002 8:00 AM
|i'm hardly planning to get my full USPS kit...although those guys ride in high style. =). i'm not going to pay list for my frame...i'm looking at used frames or other options to save money. i'm a college student, but i tend to buy good stuff if i think it's going to make a difference-- i'm also into Search and Rescue here, and I don't see the logic behind buying cheap gear if i can afford good stuff-- works better, lasts longer. i'm not married to the oclv frames either-- a buddy of mine has one and loves it...it's scarily light. (and it's one of the older ones!). anyway, i just don't want to make a total fool of myself. i'd love anyone's input. i'm actually off to a bike shop to test-drive some bikes. thoughts?|
|I rode an OCLV once only briefly, but I thought it was great. I||bill|
Mar 28, 2002 8:06 AM
|think you either love carbon fiber or hate it. You'll probably love it. The guys who hate it are the retro-grouches mostly, who miss getting beat up by road noise (just a joke, fellas). |
It'll be great.
|so you're in college...||up_hiller|
Mar 28, 2002 9:03 AM
|whatever you do, don't build up a Dura-Ace equipped OCLV frame and then ride it to class. try not to let anyone know you have a really nice bike. it's great that some students (like you and me) are able to save up some cash to buy nice rides, but not everyone is able/willing to do it. they will, however, take advantage of the opportunity to make a quick buck by selling "that cool-looking bike". IT WILL DISAPPEAR. Lock it (with the best lock you can get your hands) to something very substantial INSIDE your home.
matt <--college student who had a bike snagged a few months ago.
|so you're in college...||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 10:29 AM
i have no intention of riding my bike to class. i go to a really small school (400 students) in santa fe, new mexico, and there's a large riding scene here. if someone was even seen walking anywhere (you can't do shit here without SOMEONE seeing) with a bike that people know belonged to someone else, i'd most likely hear about who it was. regardless, i'm going to lock it. a friend of mine has a 5500 OCLV frame that he leaves in his room (door unlocked most of the time) and has not had a problem in three years. so, that's the scene here.
|Ride / Wear what you want||cydswipe|
Mar 28, 2002 8:04 AM
|If you find a great deal on an OCLV frame, Great!! I got a complete y-66t here in the classifieds. I wear jerseys of my favorite teams, USPS, FESTINA, iBANESTO, etc. I like them, I like cycling. Nobody calls me a poser if I wear Pitt. Steeler jersey, or a Michigan Wolverine hat. I'm a fan. If you get a great deal on pro wear or a type of bike, thats frosting on the cake. Don't let people influence you with their rotten remarks about you being a poser. Now, if you show up at a race dressed EXACTLY like lance Armstrong from head to toe and get dropped after the first mile, then yeah, poser remarks may fly. Otherwise, ride what you want and wear what you want.|
|Ride / Wear what you want||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 8:07 AM
|what size is the bike you've got listed in the classifieds? i'm going to get sized this morning. let me know. you can also email at firstname.lastname@example.org|
|Why not? Most of us do...||RideLots|
Mar 28, 2002 8:11 AM
|Don't worry what people think about what you ride. On the other hand, you may not want to get totally out of control and wear all the Lance/Postal stuff.|
|Steer clear of Tour de France "Yellow jersey" also||Nessism|
Mar 28, 2002 8:46 AM
|Riding gear is spendy. It pays to do a little planning if you are going to race since you can't wear team cloths from another sanctioned team. Just a thought.|
|Despite what some say||McAndrus|
Mar 28, 2002 8:18 AM
|the Trek OCLVs are excellent frames. The debate is usually over value (there are lower priced, high quality frames available) or image. Some people just insist on being different and that's fine with me.
I've ridden OCLVs and I think you'll like it, you could certainly do a lot worse. As to the clothes, if you're worried about image there, then simple is best and go with plain jerseys and shorts. If you want snazzier stuff try http://www.bikejerseys.com. They have some interesting gear at good prices.
|i consider a poser to be : someone who CARES what others think.||SteveO|
Mar 28, 2002 8:33 AM
|something to seriously consider.... thats a lot of money to spend, considering you dont know if you'll even LIKE road riding.
it's easy to get caught up in the hype of the latest giz-wangbangery with the kind of money some posters dole out, but you need to question, as you hand over several mortage-payments towards a new bike, whether it will increase youre pleasure that much more than (say) a trek 1000.
|yeah, but how else will i find out?||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 10:34 AM
|I see what you're saying. however, if i can find a deal on a really sweet frame (found a great deal on dura-ace group, got a friend who's selling me a choice set of mavic wheels), why not start riding something really good?|
|yeah, but how else will i find out?||elviento|
Mar 28, 2002 11:01 AM
|Sure if you have a good deal, go ahead. Even if you find cycling not interesting or if you need a better fitting bike, you can always sell it and not lose much $$$.|
|nothing wrong witha bargain, for sure...||SteveO|
Mar 28, 2002 11:57 AM
|im just of the school that a 'bargain' priced 105 is a better deal than a 'bargain' priced DA (actually, a FULL PRICED 105 is probably cheaper than a bargain DA - if i'm wrong about the DA you found, by all means grab it).
not knockin your methods... just dont want to see anyone overspend. too many already do, without realizing it.
|Jerseys: I say, who cares.||elviento|
Mar 28, 2002 11:09 AM
|The stay away from USPS Team Kit theory shows a reverse snobbery mentality. As if an expensive bike and team jersey automatically means poser.
It does not matter! As long as you enjoy the sport, and can afford it. Who cares?
Besides, pro jerseys are much better made and have great fit.
|I am a poser.||Elefantino|
Mar 28, 2002 1:45 PM
|I have a Trek OCLV frame. When it was wrecked, I had the factory repaint it in white-blue-and-red Postal colors.
I have a number of jerseys and kits from professional teams. I even have the now-infamous-but -as-yet-unworn all-pink kit (team issue, not knock-off) from Mercatone Uno's 2000 tour squad.
I am too old and have too many miles and scars on me to care what other people think. (But even when I was young I didn't care, either, actually.) So ...
If a fellow cyclist calls me a poser, and some have, that's fine. If you beat me, you beat a poser. Big deal. If I beat you, you were beaten by a poser. BIG deal.
Cycling is about you. Not them. "Them" ride in carts and hit little white balls on weekend mornings. Either that or they camp out at the Krispy Kreme.
Man, did I just fall off the bitter side of the recliner, or what?
|nothing to worry about||AllUpHill|
Mar 28, 2002 2:32 PM
|The other posts are right. Don't care too much what others think and get basically whatever you want. It's just best that you're ability is "reasonably" commeasureate with the level of bike, and make sure it's clear that you didn't chose your bike cause you wanted "lance's bike" or whatever. My bike is maybe a little overkill for my ability (i'm no pro to be sure), but not terribly, cause i race and ride with cat 1/2/3 folk and I generally do more dropping than getting dropped. I got it cause it was most the suitable for me among bikes I could get discounted.
If you're a "total newbie" cat 5 never raced/ridden before, with something equipped like a trek 5200/5500, some people (probably mostly jealous people) may make comments, but no harm done if it fits your style and budget.
My preference is avoid postal garments if you have a postal bike. I thought about getting a postal jersey before I had this one, but there's absolutely no way I would now. I really wanted a special non-team paint job, but this one isn't flagrantly postal or patriotic. On the bright side I can make corny jokes about delivering mail on my postman bike.
|nothing to worry about! thank all of you||nyedid|
Mar 28, 2002 4:22 PM
|well, thank all of you. i genuinely do appreciate everyone's feedback. i've realized that cycling is like every other sport i've been involved with: there are people who are brand conscious, those who aren't, people who like bright shiny colorful stuff, and those who don't. like my parents have said, "takes all kinds". mostly, it seems there are people who are just into cycling in a big way, which is awesome. reminds me of when i was rowing. this is starting to seem less daunting to get into than i thought.|
Mar 29, 2002 12:59 AM
|You can never go wrong with silver and black...that's how I did my mtb. I was going to do the same on my roadbike but fell for Maranello red. Eh, couldn't be helped.
Usually I like pleasant understatement. Most of that's personal preference but it's convenient because it snags less attention. Responding to the thread more generally, the fact is anywhere you go some people are going to try to label you a poser. Posers, mostly. In my mind it's a whole projection issue, since the only people I have ever qualified as posers are almost universally desperately trying to label someone else as such. People critiquing everyone else's ride when they're supposed to be concentrating on their own. Ironic, huh? So, like everyone else said, don't worry about image. Pick what you like. OCLV is fine; I being comfort-oriented would encourage looking at value-conscious steel frames like Lemond or even Gunnar, maybe something else on sale or used. A college budget is a college budget.
My only other advice is to get a few jerseys cheap, on clearance or something. I got a Pearl Izumi thing for $30 a couple months ago, for example. I rode cotton for years but generally rode mellow in cooler, dryer climates and don't sweat much in the first place. I think in New Mexico you'll want to get real biking clothes. Save the dough for the time being and put it in your bike. You can spend bigger bucks on team replicas when you know what you like.