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Freire: future Postie????(12 posts)

Freire: future Postie????eschelon
Mar 27, 2002 6:44 AM
Apparently, Oscar Freire isn't happy with Mapei and contract negotiations and the way Mapei is providing a lack of support in races. I reaad in VN this:

"Just like what happened in 2000, the team left him alone at the decisive moment. It seems Mapei is more interested in seeing an Italian win before Freire," he continued, adding that teams such as Domo or U.S. Postal Service would be ideal for the two-time world champion."

This would be sweet as hell if the Postal got someone like him.

Here's the link: http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/1975.0.html
Not likely to happenboneman
Mar 27, 2002 6:57 AM
FWIW he said the same thing after the Milan-San Remo two years ago and at times last year. Bottom line is that as long as USPS major goal is the TDF and preparation for that race, he's not likely to get the support for one day races or stage wins. One of the few time's diversified to support one day events and stage races is Telekom and even there, Zabel hasn't had true support the last couple of years. You can make the case for Mapei and Domo specializing in the one-day races and stage wins in the 3 big tours and either he'll stay at Mapei or maybe make a move to Domo or Fassa.
re: Freire: future Postie????speedisgood
Mar 27, 2002 7:00 AM
I dunno, there would be too many leaders on the team then, IMHO. I would definitely like to see another team in the grand tours support the quest for the points jersey to go along with A & S, Saeco, Telekom, and CA.

But having a sprinter and the support guys to help him mean diluting the number of climbers to help Lance. I think USPS would have to change their mission statement in the TDF in order to justify hiring Freire. They'd have to be more like Telekom and we all know how well it's gone for Ulrich and Co. ;-)

OTOH, he would fit in well with the Classics/World Cup squad, so if USPS wanted to go in that direction, I can see that happening.

My 2 pennies.
re: Freire: future Postie????elviento
Mar 27, 2002 9:43 AM
Now that Levi is gone and Heras not doing too well, USPS wouldn't be a top team without Lance. Maybe having a world class sprinter lik Freire helps with the overall team profile. If God forbid Lance loses the TDF this year, USPS will drop to the bottom of Division one teams.

But Telekom is pretty much set since Zabel will win those sprints even if ULrich is out of form. Aren't you guys impressed by Telekom's leadout train at the end of major flat DTF stages? USPS is typically nowhere to be seen at such moments.
Is USPS a top team?Wayne
Mar 27, 2002 11:59 AM
Right now they are the lowest ranked of the "Top-Club" teams and near the bottom of the whole Division 1 ranking. Only a few teams are ranked lower than them, including Mercatone Uno (is this team still racing?). They are out ranked by a couple Division III teams. I think it's a bit of an illusion that they are a "top team", perpetuated by OLN when they kept saying USPS was the "best team" in cycling (I think this was two years ago when they were leading the team competition in the tour). They're a great tour de France and Vuelta team but other than that they don't seem to have much impact on shorter stage races and one-days (other than P-R), not to mention ignoring the Giro. I don't think they will remain near the bottom once tour time gets here, but that hardly makes them one of the top teams like Fassa Bortolo or Mapei.
Is USPS a top team?eschelon
Mar 27, 2002 1:21 PM
Wait a minute...Your response here doesn't make sense. I believe there are 31 teams in the Div 1 League and you say that the Postal team is in the bottom of the top 10 club and also the bottom of the whole Div 1 league and Mercatone Uno is just below the Postal.

It's true that many of us don't hear about Postal winning stages or many classics, but they sure as hell don't rack up all of those UCI points by only making a favorable showing in the Grand Tours. These guys do great in the top placings of many races...hence that is how the Postal squad accumulates any points in the UCI team listings.

Also, if you want the best Grand Tour team, you can't realistically expect to do well in winning the overall Grand Tours and also win all the classics. Has Mapei, Domo, or Lotto, or Rabobank ever won a Grand Tour like TDF, or Vuelta?

If you want the Grand Tour, or the classics, there are opporunity costs to deal with.
USPS Rankings,TJeanloz
Mar 27, 2002 1:55 PM
There are 30 D1 teams. USPS is ranked 25th among the D1 teams, and last among those designated 'Top Clubs' by the UCI ('Top Clubs' are those ranked in the top 10 on November 15 of the previous year, and must be included in Grand Tours).

There are 2 D2 teams that have more UCI points than USPS, and 3 D3 teams that have more UCI points than USPS. These rankings are, of course, before the Grand Tours, when USPS will make up all kinds of ground on the Mapei Espoirs team that is currently ranked above them...
Thanks,Wayne
Mar 28, 2002 6:02 AM
for saving me the trouble of going and looking up their exact ranking. Of course your right about USPS being a grand tour team, more accurately their Lance Armstrong's team which makes them a TdF team almost exclusively. They're not even riding the Giro, probably the second biggest race in cycling, and I doubt they would do the Vuelta if they didn't have to keep the Spanish Domestiques happy. If Armstrong should happen to get injured and not be able to compete they would stay right near the bottom of the rankings all year. That's why I said they're not a great team, they're an O.K. team built around one great rider. The other riders they have with talent (Hincapie, Heras, Pena) don't get the results they probably could, because they all do domestique work in July.
Would his situation be any different on USPS vs. Mapei?Pedal Jockey
Mar 27, 2002 7:01 AM
Think about it, USPS is in full support of George for the one day classics and the flat days in the stage races. Freire would not any more supported on USPS than he already is with Mapei. I agree he is getting screwed over at Mapei, but I do not see USPS being any better for him. I'm not sure Domo is, either. Perhaps Freire is best off going to a spanish team such as iBanesto.com or Kelme. They ride in the classics, but never have riders in at the kill. Freire could be that man.

PJ
Hincapie is not a pure sprinter.Pack Meat
Mar 27, 2002 7:06 AM
He's more like Johan or Tchmil. I don't think he has the top end speed to win a sprint that's why he's always top 10 but rarely top 5.

I like Oscar, I'd like to see him with Postal or Rabobank.
Hincapie is not a pure sprinter.CT1 Guy
Mar 27, 2002 1:17 PM
Get real - winning Ghent Wevelgem does not merit Hincapie being included in the same league as Museeuw or Tchmil.
ya think? I was refering to his riding style and strengths. nmPack Meat
Mar 27, 2002 2:56 PM
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