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English riders: S+J Howells frames????(4 posts)

English riders: S+J Howells frames????brian
Mar 26, 2002 12:06 PM
Hey all,

I'm looking for a new track frame to replace my DeBernardi 61cm frame. Unfortunately I can't afford a custom bike (I would kill for a Spectrum or Waterford) and was deciding to go with an Olmo pista for about 530 bucks. However, I came across the British make S+J Howells available through the net ( that seems too good to be true. Full custom made to your specs in your choice of 531, 631, or 853 steel (you can even pick with a round or tear drop downtube). The prices are $300-550 depending on tubing options. This sounds too good to be true for a quality frame, so has anyone ridden these bikes? Whats the low down on these bikes? The thought that I could get a custom made (in England, not in China) 853 lugged steel frame for onehalf the cost of a non custom 531 Waterford is too good not to look into.


ps-anyone wanting to sell me a stiff 60 or 61 cm track frame feel free to email me!!!!
re: English riders: S+J Howells frames????Me Dot Org
Mar 26, 2002 2:12 PM
Cycling Plus operates a forum site. Perhaps you could post a message there:

I don't know about S+J Howells frames, but I had Sdeals build me a pair of Mavic Open Pros with chorus hubs. Other than taking a little longer than promised, they were (are) excellent wheels). I've also ordered tires from them with no problems.
S + J Howells clueMe Dot Org
Mar 27, 2002 10:53 PM
Wrote an email question to sdeals recently, and got a response from Steve Howells.

I would surmise it is an in-house brand.
re: English riders: S+J Howells frames????boneman
Mar 26, 2002 2:18 PM
I've done a bit of research on custom steel builders in the UK since moving here a while back and have not heard of that firm. Any idea what county, city or post code?

The price is rather low. I bought a custom Corrado (Liverpool made of Deda SAT 14.5) and a custom Chas Roberts (Croydon made of custom drawn Columbus Nivachrome), and each frame w/fork cost about £800. The playing field's pretty flat cost wise between the US and the UK, absent the VAT and ignoring import duty into the US so large disparities lead down the old you get what you pay for route.

Good luck. Maybe MJ, Muncher, CT1 et al have a line on the builder.