Mar 26, 2002 7:00 AM
|Do many of you feel your saddle when you are out of the saddle climbing? I don't... This morning in a spinning class the instructor told us that you should feel the nose of the saddle between your legs when you are out of the saddle "just like you were on a real bike" it didn't make a whole lot of sense and I do take a lot of advice from spinning instructors with a grain of salt. but i was wondering though because climbing is not a strong suit of mine... have i been missing a fundamental form issue this whole time????|
Mar 26, 2002 7:44 AM
|I do not feel the seat when I climb either. But, I have read that your hips should be directly over the bottom bracket and you should be able to lightly feel the nose of the seat touch the back of your thighs.|
|re: climbing position||simstress|
Mar 26, 2002 7:56 AM
|I've heard spinning instructors say that too. I think the idea is to remind people to keep the weight over the bottom bracket. A lot of novices have a tendency to shift their weight forward over the bars when they get tired.
I'm not aware if I feel my saddle when climbing with my bike, but I definitely brush against the one on the spinning bike. How can you not? It's enormous!
|re: climbing position||DINOSAUR|
Mar 26, 2002 8:01 AM
|I do, but a lot of it would depend on your saddle and how you have it positioned..|
|re: climbing position||brider|
Mar 26, 2002 10:08 AM
|Standing on a flat road => yes. On a climb => no (depending on grade).|
|believe me on this... this is KerouacBenKenobi speaking||tempeteKerouak|
Mar 26, 2002 11:06 AM
|Beaudelaire «There was nothing worst but to have a teacher whom I felt superior to...»
"Climbing" (or the simulation of) on a spinning tool or climbing to St-Féréol-des-Neiges from Ste-Anne-de Beaupré in Québec city has little in common...
If you feel good with your hands on the drops, the saddle nose wedged in your chamois and a flower at the corner of your mouth, well, do it.
I suppose the most important thing is to try to move the bike and not the rider. Then moving the bike must be done keeping the bike in the straighter line possible. Concerve energy, spend efficiently.
With all this written in the good books, look at the pros, and the bike goes everywhere, with the rider moving around a lot on the bike...
Trust yourself. First one up the the right way up isn't it?
|re: climbing position||BryanJL|
Mar 26, 2002 11:18 AM
I agree with what you've said (take spin instructors with a bit of salt) and also another post that said the instructors' cues are especially aimed at beginners or riders who lean too far forward (which is the general tendency for less skilled riders).
As an instructor myself, I say the same thing, "Make sure your butt is over or near the saddle" to encourage and remind people to put their weight over the bottom bracket rather than in front of it. A lot of people lean forward, especially as fatigue sets in.
Ultimately, while some indoor bikes may have better road feel than others, and even then it's still subjective, it's important to note that not all things translate from indoors to outdoors and vice versa. Climbing is a good example, because I myself don't feel as much of the saddle outdoors as I do indoors...mostly a function of bike geometry.
So really, when an instructor says "Make sure you can feel the nose of the saddle" what they are saying is "Don't lean on the handlbars, keep your weight evenly distributed."
Of course, after I say that, it usually leads to the next problem, the "paperboy," where people overemphasize the side to side motion and get a little too much rocking side to side. Well, one thing at a time...
Mar 26, 2002 12:18 PM
|thanks for the response. do you have any suggestions on getting a spin bike to fit right. I would think that it would be easy to do with all of the adjustability but so far, getting a fit/feel even similar to my bike is like searching for the Holy Grail... I should however say that the nice sweaty scenery all around me greatly helps cope with the discomfort of a public bike...|
|spinn bike will not feel like your own bike||theBreeze|
Mar 26, 2002 6:20 PM
|Hopefully your instructor helped you with the original set up. If not, I would question the integrity of the instructor or gym. But don't expect a stationary bike to feel like your outdoor bike.
Regular outdoor riders should not count on indoor classes to substitute for real road (or trail) riding. The main purpose should be to keep some aerobic fitness and perhaps work on leg speed and power. You do not need to be "aero" and assume and identical position as on your road (or mountain) bike.
We have small classes (only 10 bikes) at my facility and I am head of the program, so I sometimes let experienced road riders bring their own saddles, and even pedals on occasion. Provided they come early enough and can put the parts on themselves. Obviously this would not be possible if there were 20 or 30 people in class.
BTW, What brand of bikes does your place use?
|spinn bike will not feel like your own bike||jaybird|
Mar 27, 2002 6:34 AM
|They use schwinn and the bikes seem decent enough... My whole reason for taking the class is to work on my leg speed. I am a pretty big guy (6'3" 210lbs) and I have historicaly been a big gear masher. I have a tough time maintaining much more than 85 rpm or so for an extended period of time.|
|re: climbing position||Andor|
Mar 26, 2002 11:27 AM
|Don't worry so much about your position when climbing, just keep attacking steeper and longer climbs and eventually your body will fall into place.|
|watch Paolo Bettini place an acceleration in a climb||tempeteKerouak|
Mar 26, 2002 11:51 AM