|need a new computer||Joshua|
Mar 25, 2002 6:45 AM
|I need to put a computer on my new bike. Since this is my first road bike can some one give me suggestions on wich ones are good. The shifters are 105 flight deck compatible so thats an option. Also I would really like a computer with cadence. Thanks|
|Flight Deck has virtual cadence, not real||Elefantino|
Mar 25, 2002 7:19 AM
|It's a nice computer, but it has a lot of bugs. I'm not sure I'd buy another one (actually, I didn't buy it; the LBS threw it in for free.)
The computer that intrigues me is the Vetta V100HR, which has wired cadence and a heart-rate monitor and all the other bells and whistles.
|Flight Deck has virtual cadence, not real||ronvermeeren|
Mar 25, 2002 7:33 AM
Cateye produces also good and nice computers,
look on http://www.cateye.com/pc_0107msc-3dx.htm
I have 3 different Cateye computers, with all of them i had NO problems... Recently i bought one the newest, "OS 1.0", it has nice features but unfortunatly no cadence sensor...
I hope it helped you a little bit,
|A different view||boneman|
Mar 25, 2002 11:00 AM
|FWIW I've put over 1,000 miles on my FliteDeck without any problems or bugs. It's the 6501 head unit with the wireless sender.
The virtual cadence works fine. Okay, ultimately not as accurate as actual cadence but good enough for most riders.
I like the unit and despite the cost, recommend it highly.
|ditto on the Flight Deck||weiwentg|
Mar 25, 2002 11:35 AM
|so far, zero bugs on the 6501 (around 1500 miles). and yes, the virtual cadence works fine, and involves less wiring.|
|I agree overall, but...||g-money|
Mar 25, 2002 7:58 PM
|My Virtual cadence is off by 8-10 rpm's all the time. There is no problem with the setup, it's just the way it is...|
|re: need a new computer||Chen2|
Mar 25, 2002 7:48 AM
|If my shifters were Flight Deck compatible, that is what I'd have, otherwise, the Cateye Astrale is a very good computer with cadence, I've used them for 7 years. I'm also interested in the new Specialized computers with cadence, altimeter, and inclinometer (%grade), but I don't have any experience with the Specialized.
|Ditto Cateye Astrale||jtolleson|
Mar 25, 2002 8:26 AM
|You want cadence? Can't beat it. IMHO. The Flite Deck's "virtual" cadence is a joke I think.|
|Why a joke?||Len J|
Mar 25, 2002 8:46 AM
|I don't understand your comment: "The Flite Deck's "virtual" cadence is a joke I think".
I have an astrale on my beater bike & the Flightdeck on my main ride.
I find the "virtual" Cadence to be very accurate and as useful as my astrale. In addition, (especially when descending) the virtual cadence lets me know what rpm I need to "Keep up with the gear".
The only downside I have found is with the original 6500 model only allowing the preprograming of one cassette. With the 6501, I preprogram the 2 casettes I use predonminatly and am good to go.
It works on simple math, There are three variables: Speed, Cadence & gearing. If you know any two you can solve for the third. It's foolproof.
Whay is it a joke?
Mar 25, 2002 11:36 AM
|virtual cadence is certainly no joke. I suppose I'd rather have real cadence, but the trade off for the flight deck is a neater setup, and I accept that.|
|Why a joke?||jtolleson|
Mar 25, 2002 1:46 PM
|Because any time you are coasting, it won't tell you you are coasting. Because the virtual cadence feature relies only on assumptions about speed and gear ratio, it doesn't help you spin when you are coasting or descending.
Granted, most experienced roadies already have the cadence thing down (I can "feel" 90 rpm in my sleep) but for someone needing specific cadence work, the Astrale is a much better option.
Mar 25, 2002 2:11 PM
|If I'm coasting, I think I know it.
It doesn't rely on "assumptions about speed and gear ratio", it relies on speed from the speed sensor & you tell it what gear you are in (Thru up-front programming & integration to the shifters). There are no assumptions.
I don't understand "it doesn't help you spin when you are coasting or descending." No computer helps you spin. Rather with an astrale, it tells you what you are spinning (and you rely on feel to tell you if you've "caught up to the gear") as compared to the Flightdeck which tells you what you need to spin to "Catch up with the gear") on descents. I think they are two sides of the same coin.
Your comment: "for someone needing specific cadence work, the Astrale is a much better option." is certainly a valid oponion on your part but I would disagree. I think they both are equally good options. It seems like you are basing your oponion on suppositions about the accuracy of the cadence calculation (I could be wrong). Well from someone who has actually used both, I think they both have thier plusses & minuses & are equally good solutions.
Just my experience, not trying to start a war.
Mar 25, 2002 3:54 PM
|I have also used both; had an Astrale with cadence in the mid 90s, and the cadence function definitely helped me become a better spinner. But I've got a Flitedeck on the Litespeed and I've never been impressed by a "cadence" function that fundamentally can't tell you how fast your feet are going (or at least can't at certain speeds or under certain conditions).
I like the Flite Deck for its cool looks and shifter integration, but for someone wanting to get constant accurate cadence feedback, I'm skeptical! : )
Don't worry! No war here.
|Fair 'nuf. You say potato, I say.............nm||Len J|
Mar 25, 2002 5:02 PM
|re: Specialized '01 Speedzone Pro||cyclopathic|
Mar 25, 2002 8:46 AM
|(just hate the '02 tacho look)
It has altimeter and inclinemometer. Altimiter comparing to others is very accurate you can have 5 bikes with Speedzone riding the same route (~100-150mi) and the diff will be less then 100'. Cateye tends to BS alot esp when batteries get older.
|Simpler the better, IMO||cory|
Mar 25, 2002 8:49 AM
|Plenty of people will disagree, but to me, anything beyond speed and distance is more annoying than helpful. Can't see any reason at all for cadence (especially virtual cadence, which is what you get with Flight Deck), and if you need to know what gear you're in, which I almost never do, you can look down at the chain. I'm still happy with the two Avocet 35s I bought for $10 each four or five years ago.|
|I like the simple ones, but wireless.||Alex-in-Evanston|
Mar 25, 2002 9:11 AM
|Sigma BC800 wireless. $40 at Colorado Cyclist. It does speed, avg. speed, max speed, distance, total distance, and time. All that I really need. Setup takes 5 minutes.
|Got both, Cateye and Flightdeck...||Lone Gunman|
Mar 25, 2002 3:35 PM
|I'll take the flight deck any day for the lack of wiring alone. Both work.|
|Cateye Tomo.. Start stopwatch and count your revs....nm||bic|
Mar 25, 2002 9:24 PM