|Question about specialty wheels and training/club rides||cyclinseth|
Mar 25, 2002 6:05 AM
|I see more and more people (racers and club riders) using ultralight, ultra-aero wheels (ie ksyrium, Zip, spinnergy) as thier "general purpose" wheels. Wouldn't the over-use of these types of wheels eventually decrease one's strength? I especially don't understand why a racer would want to train on his/her racing wheels.
My question isn't so much why these people do this, but rather, whether or not using specialty wheels (as opposed to standard 32-spoke, 3-cross) for general riding will make you weaker in the long run.
|re: Question about specialty wheels and training/club rides||DT|
Mar 25, 2002 6:09 AM
|I have a set of 2000 Rolf Vector Pro's that I use solely as my training/racing wheels. They have about 12,000 miles on them, and I haven't done anything at all to them. They still run as smooth and as true as the day I got them. Then again, I'm only 150#, but the roads here in Mississippi aren't the best, either.|
|re: Question about specialty wheels and training/club rides||Allister Fiend|
Mar 25, 2002 6:23 AM
|Ksyriums, as many people have put it, are bomb proof. I threw out all my other wheels once I built my trust in my Ksyriums. They have only been trued once in 8000 miles.|
|My question wasn't whether these wheels were sturdy or not||cyclinseth|
Mar 25, 2002 6:32 AM
|Let me put the question another way, if you use heavier, less aerodynamic wheels (as opposed to using ultralight, ultra-aero wheels) for general riding/training, wouldn't that make you a stronger rider? Seeing as how you would have to put more effort into the pedal stroke in order to turn the things.|
|I think that you're right. But cool equipt. is fun. I also||bill|
Mar 25, 2002 6:47 AM
|suppose that going hard is going hard, so that, if you're working hard on a training ride, you're just going a little faster than you would with less chi-chi wheels. Doesn't mean that you can't work hard with light wheels. |
But, I've certainly read lots of advice to racers to save their light wheels for race day for the psychological advantage.
|My question wasn't whether these wheels were sturdy or not||merckx56|
Mar 25, 2002 6:50 AM
|train on the "regular" wheels and save the light/fast wheels for the big days. i train on a set of cxp33/ultegra wheels with axial carbons, and put the k's/carbones/cosmics for the racing or the group rides that i know will turn into a race! the heavier wheels will make you stronger and it will feel much different when you put on the light stuff.|
|Make you weaker?||Wannabe|
Mar 25, 2002 8:19 AM
|Then by your judgement we all should have 25lb 12 speed clunkers to train on. Think how strong we'll be then!
I need all the advantage I can get just to hold on to my local club during the "slow" ride!
|That would make sense too.||cyclinseth|
Mar 25, 2002 9:10 AM
|Actually, an ex-euro racer buddy of mine does his regular rides on his 16 year old steel bike (about 25 lbs) and is racing on his ultra-light, Trek crotch-rocket. He is already too damn fast on his steel bike.|
|Shoooooosh! Don't give out those secrets...||tempeteKerouak|
Mar 25, 2002 9:59 AM
|No, forget it, training hard makes no sense.
Use the best wheels, tubes filled with helium and take some EPO as well... Go on! Don't forget the aero dynamic bottles and helmet.
Don't give out real secrets man!
Ha ha ha!
|Used to ride with a cat1 guy||Slipstream|
Mar 25, 2002 10:02 AM
|who also rode in the paris-brest-paris. He would ride a schwinn cruiser on club rides and still make it challenging for everyone else.|
|To be honest...I'm lazy...||biknben|
Mar 25, 2002 9:01 AM
|I train on a pair of Zipp 303s. I have a pair of DA/Mavic clinchers but only use them for foul weather/winter riding. I have a cassette on each set but the hubs are different enough that I have to adjust my derailluer to accomodate each wheel. I put a barrel adjuster on my housing by my h-bars but I find it annoying to have to adjust it each time I switch wheels.
I'm about to start commuting to work. I will most likely put my clinchers on and leave them on except for events or significant rides.
|re: Question about specialty wheels and training/club rides||LC|
Mar 25, 2002 9:56 AM
|Any wheel still has to earn my trust. Every new set I get has to get has to get a least a couple training rides in so I can make sure it does not go out of true right away. Even the best wheels that are "pre-stressed" still can get loose spoke in first couple of hundred miles. It is also hard to resist trying out the new wheels!|
Mar 25, 2002 11:28 AM
|Ksyriums aren't so special any more. Around here, they are almost standard issue, even in training. As bombproof as they are, it makes perfect sense.
If you are among the slower riders in your group, maybe it can't hurt to use whatever equipment necessary to help you keep up. Lighter will probably help more than aero, as you'll likely not be leading the pack in group rides, but will need the lighter weight up the hills and on accellerations. When drafting at a more or less constant pace, it won't matter much either way.
I wouldn't show up with a disc wheel and deep front. Go too far, and you'll appear to be posing a bit too much (or just goofy).
I don't believe in training on equipment that makes it more difficult (unless you are Lance and training with someone, and want to even things up a bit). Just ride faster - the ultimate resistance device.
I do train on tougher, heavier tires now. I just got tired of flats.
I do firmly believe in racing on equipment that is familiar and proven. Work the bugs out in training, not the race.