Mar 24, 2002 10:04 AM
|I offer this obeservation with no further comment:
It's interesting that the username "binladen" excited far more righteous indignation than "adolfhitler."
|re: Righteous indignation||elviento|
Mar 24, 2002 10:13 AM
|The hitler post seems like just a bad imitation. I don't think he was serious.|
|freedom of speech...respect...inclusion||harlett|
Mar 24, 2002 10:40 AM
|freedom of speech doesn't mean that there is an inclusion that accepts all beliefs/views as if no one belief/view is better than another-- nor does it mean we have to respect all opinions as equally valid-- |
there are more careful and meaningful ways to think about respect and inclusion within freedom of speech-- i respect the right of people i consider to be stupid to make stupid remarks-- that doesn't mean i necessarily respect their remarks-- inclusion in the community of those holding the civil right of free speech is open to all people and all groups, even hateful/hurtful/insensitive people and groups-- inclusion in the domain of our esteem is not--
the right to free speech is not a right to say anything as long as it doesn't strike anyone the wrong way-- the right to free speech is not a right to write any words as long they don't disagree with others' sensibilities-- the right to free speech is a right to expression, even though it may disparage the expressions of others--
the act of unblocking the doorway to expression resides in the internet-- for good and bad--
those who want to censor or restrict free speech need to not censor themselves and instead be bold and assertive and use their free speech to argue back..lay out an argument, satirize a point of view, expose holes in logic, demonstrate the others' galling lack of knowledge or sensitivity-- trying to silence/censor any view/thought relegates it to a dark closet-- people gathered in a dark closet see no light--
we need to be free to post our thoughts, our ignorance and our insensitivity-- we are free to disagree with or "ignore" those posts--
|Recency v. Primacy||jtolleson|
Mar 24, 2002 10:41 AM
|Or whatever. I'd agree that the adolfhitler think seemed kinda tongue-in-cheek... this "binladen" poster has used the name routinely.
But also it has been only six months since mr. binladen killed 3,000 Americans, so he's not exactly become spoof material yet. And although the holocaust and nazism is perhaps still the most reprehensible memory of the 20th century, it is removed enough that people have been spoofing him for over 30 years, thanks to everyone from Mel Brooks to Woody Allen. And that time will come with Bin Laden, but it is a little more sensitive...
|Neither is appropriate||MGS|
Mar 24, 2002 11:23 AM
|This forum is neither a newspaper nor a public forum. It is a privately owned, advertisement-supported forum for those posting questions on recreational activities.
Accordingly, it is not subject to first amendment laws or other constitutional issues.
If you have a concern that this site actively posts comments from people using the binladen or adolfhitler moniker, let the advertisers know that they are financially supporting such a site.
I am sure that Nike corporate would be pleased to know that they have given financial help to a forum that allows people to popularize the name of Osama Bin Laden.
|Neither is appropriate||koolaid|
Mar 24, 2002 12:21 PM
|The owner of this site should permanetly ban anyone suggesting people write negative things about this site to the sponsors.|
|Neither is appropriate||elviento|
Mar 24, 2002 4:45 PM
|that's a good one.|| |