|Supergo's Scattante R-853 - Good deal???||Money D|
Mar 19, 2002 5:10 PM
|Supergo has Scattante R-853 Road on sale for $1100, down from $1900. 853 steel, full ultegra, carbon fork, seems like a good deal. Other than the standard mail order disadvantages (fitting, service) is there any other reason this isn't a great deal?
What's up w/ all the rain in VA? Can't ride at all!
Mar 19, 2002 7:15 PM
|just kidding - although you may attract some hostile comments.
the following is based on hearsay. a friend owns the Scattante Airplane (Columbus Airplane tubing + Carve fork), and is completely satisfied (except for the fact that he longs for a Cannondale - personal preference). it's nearly as light as my TCR, and by all accounts, was a good deal. if steel is what you're looking for, I think this is a good deal.
you lose out on brand name - if that matters. it's made in Taiwan, and some people are going to flame you for that. but my TCR is made in Taiwan, too ...
some people have had issues with ordering from Supergo. I've ordered once and had no problems, but YMMV.
|re: Supergo's Scattante R-853 - Good deal???||Crankist|
Mar 19, 2002 8:35 PM
|Supergo is now listing them on e-bay, apparently just to be seen as the starting prices are the same as the catalog's.
Test rides in your neighborhood are out of the question.
Return policy follows.
"Merchandise can be returned for exchange or refund within 30 days of receipt. The merchandise must be returned new, unused, unaltered, not previously installed, and in a sellable condition with all of the original packaging. Used non-defective merchandise cannot be returned for exchange or refund"...
If my budget was at that price point I'd sure be looking hard at this one. So -why not pick one up and let us know?
|re: Supergo's Scattante R-853 - Good deal???||Elefantino|
Mar 19, 2002 8:45 PM
|You can get a full Ultegra build kid with pretty good wheels for under $700-$750 from many mail orders. Which leaves you about $300 bucks for the frame. It's not the same 853 craftsmanship as a LeMond or a boutique bike like a Jeff Lyon, but it's probably in the same league as the KHS Flite 800, which also has 853 tubing with full Ultegra from gvhbikes for $1,099.
WIll it fall apart? No. But will the $1,100 Scattante ride as nice as a $2,300 LeMond? Nope. OK, just not as refined.
But if you're into bargains, and you feel like taking a chance on sizing over the net, there are worse things.
|re: Supergo's Scattante R-853 - Good deal???||gtx|
Mar 19, 2002 8:54 PM
|the bike from GHV also probably doesn't need much if anything to be roadworthy. Expect the Supergo bike to need close to a full build by a qualified mechanic. If you're not up to it, expact to pay another $50-100.
They're getting $2300 for Ultegra-equipped Lemonds? Wow.
|And only $1,799 for Dura-Ace equipped Motobecanes...||Elefantino|
Mar 20, 2002 2:40 AM
|...not that I'm trying to start another Motobecane war! I merely mention that to illustrate the wide price fluctuations.
Mar 20, 2002 8:42 AM
|I don't want to start a flame war about Lemond. I gather that they are fine, absolutely race-worthy bikes (certainly race proven). And I have a friend who is extremely happy with his Zurich. But "craftsmanship" seems a stretch. They churn 'em out. Look at a few up close and it's pretty clear that Trek/Lemond is going for function and price. There's nothing wrong with that. And street price for a Zurich seems to be under 2k, not 2300.
I'm not saying that the Scattante is the same bike--there's ample room for differences in design (geometry, tube selection--from reynolds, and what gets done with/to the tubes once they arrive) to make a big difference in ride quality. These differences may be striking (beats me); if so, they're IMO much more important than, e.g., pretty welds. But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the spec-built bike looses much on craftsmanship grounds.
|As an owner of a Scattante frame...||Ron B|
Mar 19, 2002 10:51 PM
|I can attest to the fact that it's at least a descent frame. I however have the Scattante Zonal.
It was light with my fishing scale weighing it at 2 pounds 14 ounces (56cm frame), though I do question it's accuracy. It was very light by feel though.
You couldn't tell a lot about the welds though as they are all smoothed over, similar to Cannondales. Frame alignment was fine and over all construction was fine.
Building the bike up was a breeze and didn't require any special attention.
The bike rides great. Some of the other reviews have talked about it being a stiff ride but it's great for me. I however am 260 pounds so most things ride a little loose for me. It is a quick steering bike, maybe a little too quick for my liking. It does transfer power to the pedals really well, climbs well and is very comfortable on rougher roads.
For the most part I would say the Scattante frames are a good deal. They definatly don't have the name brand recognition of other brands and you may run into some snobery on group rides, but for the money they are very hard to beat.
|Dunno, but what's with that name?||tarwheel|
Mar 20, 2002 5:27 AM
|According to my recollection from several years of Latin, "scat" is the Latin word for shit. Really, I'm not kidding. I just looked it up in a reference book to be sure.|
|There is nothing Latin/Italian about Scattante||Uncle Tim|
Mar 20, 2002 6:14 AM
|Maybe this is a good time for a little scatological humor.
Who knows what you're getting with a bike like this? Everybody would like to have a nice Italian racing bike, but Scattante isn't it.
Maybe it is a decent piece of metallurgy but some cynics would say this bike is best described as scatology.
Mar 20, 2002 6:30 AM
|I bought a KHS Flite 800 from Supergo with Ultegra, DA in the rear, Rolf Comps and carbon fork about 18 months ago. I paid 1200 and had no problems and I'm still patting myself on the back. I'm really happy with the light weight steel. The KHS is also 853 Main Frame. Since you are considering mail order I would look at GVHbikes. I guess he could be easier to work with if you had any problems. Good Luck|
|Scattante doesn't make anything!||Slipstream|
Mar 20, 2002 6:47 AM
|They OEM all their frames that they sell under their own brand. I don't know who makes their al or 853 frames but the monocoque CFR Carbon frame is made by Leader Bikes (from Taiwan--now with a U.S. address). |
For example, Leader makes the same carbon frame for sale under Leader & Argon 18 (Montreal). Leader is also reported to make the Look monocoque carbon frame as well.
The way the OEM business works is that fewer companies are actually building frames (whether al, steel, carbon, etc). Companies like Leader are doing the manufacturing out of Taiwan and other companies will do the finishing. The Scattante frames will not have the same finish quality as what you would get from others who OEM the same frame. But you are getting a good frame for a very low price.
|re: Supergo's Scattante R-853 - Good deal???||badabill|
Mar 20, 2002 7:27 AM
|Good price for a 853 ultegra bike. My concern would be with Supergo cust. service. Have had bad dealings with them in the past so i would not recomend there mail order dept. I would look hard at GVH, I have dealt with gary and have found him to be great. He has many steel frames at or near your pricepoint.|
|Not to shabby||Icefrk13|
Mar 20, 2002 9:00 AM
|IT seems like it is a pretty good deal. I just ordered a bike through GVHbikes.com I was a little nervous at first but after contacting them both by e-mail and phone, I was put at ease after speaking to Greg. He really knows his $h*t. I was interested in what I would be riding, all my measurements to make sure of a good fit. Check it out if you are concerned.