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A Call To All Bike Shops(26 posts)

A Call To All Bike ShopsLliduak
Mar 18, 2002 4:42 AM
I went behind a bike shop the other day, and I noticed many large cardboard boxes in the trash. These will probably go to some landfill, and one day start to decay and add to the green house gasses that are destroying our ozone. I encourage all bike shop owners that once you build a bike, send the box back to the manufactuer and tell them you want your next shippments to be placed in the same boxes. It is a small effort on your part, but it all helps.
Thanks,
Eugene
I will not dignify this with a response...TJeanloz
Mar 18, 2002 5:11 AM
And I encourage others to do the same.
I will not dignify this with a response...Lliduak
Mar 18, 2002 5:40 AM
Probably because you don't have the brains enough to make a justification against what I said. You know that what I say is true. Bicycles alone produce tens of thousands of pounds of cardboard each year. It is required to get them safely to their shops, so why not encourage your bike shop to return the boxes to Trek, Cannondale, Giant, etc?
I will not dignify this with a response...TJeanloz
Mar 18, 2002 5:50 AM
1. Many, if not most, shops recycle their boxes.
2. How do you propose the shop, with it's astronomical profit margin, pay to ship these boxes back? Should we raise the price of every bike by $30?
3. And what of the resources involved in shipping them back- it's a long way from Colorado back to Taiwan, and that's a lot of fuel spent on transporting empty boxes.
4. I've never met a bicycle box that was perfectly re-usable. Most of the boxes barely make it to the shop in one piece the first time, do you really think they're durable enough to be re-used?

And, as far as I can tell, bicycles are not capable of producing cardboard.
I will not dignify this with a response...Lliduak
Mar 18, 2002 6:21 AM
1. Many, if not most, shops recycle their boxes.

The shop that I happened to see did not. They were in the regular disposal bin.

2. How do you propose the shop, with it's astronomical profit margin, pay to ship these boxes back? Should we raise the price of every bike by $30?

They do this with your car tires and your used oil. Do you complain about that?

3. And what of the resources involved in shipping them back- it's a long way from Colorado back to Taiwan, and that's a lot of fuel spent on transporting empty boxes.

Take Giant for example, they have offices in California, so don't make it more of an issue than it is.

4. I've never met a bicycle box that was perfectly re-usable. Most of the boxes barely make it to the shop in one piece the first time, do you really think they're durable enough to be re-used?

Maybe the shops should take more care of the boxes so they can be reused. The savings that the manufactuers would have from not having to buy new boxes all the time would make it well worth the effort, and it might even pass on some savings to the consumer.
GO AWAY TROLL>>> (nm)ColnagoFE
Mar 18, 2002 8:17 AM
it is illegal here in N.C. ...agilis ti
Mar 18, 2002 10:14 AM
to not recycle your corregated cardboard other states have adopted this policy as well. If this is the case simply inform the bike shop of this and leave us all alone.
if not, write your state congressmen and HAVE it illegalized...SteveO
Mar 18, 2002 11:52 AM
it would be a lot more productive than what your trying to accomplish here.
thinktarwheel
Mar 18, 2002 6:02 AM
1. It would undoubtedly consume much more energy and resources to ship a cardboard box back to the place of manufacture, than to just throw it away.
2. Most cities nowadays have cardboard recycling programs.
What's your address - they'll send them to you ! nmDaveL
Mar 18, 2002 6:08 AM
What's your address - they'll send them to you ! nmLliduak
Mar 18, 2002 6:23 AM
Why to me? If you are concerned about the energy involved then sending them to the manufactuer would be far more advantageous.
Local Recycling - Best OptionMisJG
Mar 18, 2002 6:33 AM
Shipping an empty box back to the manufacturer would cost more money than it would save. The shops are most likely not the ones responsible for the destruction of the boxes in the first place, it's the shipping company. UPS, FedEx and the like are not exactly gentle with ANY package (how do you think it gets there so fast?). Packaging in general is designed to take the abuse of shipping so that the contents arrive unharmed. Kinda like your helmet. It's designed to break so that you head does not. Once broken, it should be destroyed. Re-using a cardboard bike box would not protect a new bicycle good enough for any manufacturer's standards, and especially not mine. Local recycling would be the most cost efficient solution. Are you sure these boxes were not in a recycling dumpster? My city picks up my recycling at the curb on my regular trash day. If not, and if you are really that concerned, approach the owners yourself and ask them about it. Then you could take their boxes to the recycling center yourself!
Local Recycling - Best OptionLliduak
Mar 18, 2002 6:47 AM
I did move these boxes to a recycle bin. However, as much as I wish I could, I just can't be the recycle police for every place of business. This includes not bike stores. I was just trying to see if there was any feasability to shipping the boxes back and reusing them for bikes again and again.
Local Recycling - Best OptionMisJG
Mar 18, 2002 6:56 AM
There was a recycle bin close by and the shop just threw these into the regular trash? Now that would piss me off too! I would definately mention it to the owner. My guess is a 16 yr old kid who just didn't know/care threw out the boxes. It seems kids today are either uninformed or too lazy to recycle like the people of my generation (I'll be 34 this Aug). I remember having "Ecology" as a subject in grade school in the '70s. Nobody is teaching todays kids the same things we were taught. It must've been all the "Hippies" of the generation before us were the teachers for my generation.
Recycling them locally is the logical solutionAlex-in-Evanston
Mar 18, 2002 6:42 AM
Cardboard is a pretty easy recycling application - most towns offer pickup.

Alex
Eugene; you were banned as "cosmicallyconscious"look271
Mar 18, 2002 6:55 AM
Or whatever, so get out with this jibberish on this board. Post it on the "noncycling"forum. We do care about recycling and so do MOST bike shops, who recycle their boxes, but don't want it to clutter up this board.
The boxes should be burned publicly in a protected habitat. nmmorrison
Mar 18, 2002 7:09 AM
The boxes should be burned publicly in a protected habitat. nmfirstrax
Mar 18, 2002 7:19 AM
You might be on to something. I bet if you compressed them tight enough they could be burned in a wood stove like cord wood.
Yes. But you have to make sure you take out a gnatcatcher or 2.morrison
Mar 18, 2002 7:34 AM
re: A Call To All Bike Shopsbinladen
Mar 18, 2002 7:35 AM
My naive friend,

Maybe you don't know, since America buys a lot of low tech products from poor countries worldwide, these things are very cheap (for example, a $6 pair of men's underwear probably started out in Hongkong for $0.35) but the cost is added up a lot in the US because American labor is expensive. To have a bike box shipped to Taiwan or even just to California will cost more than 10 maybe 20 new boxes in Taiwan.

There is an inherent contradiction between economics, which our society is based on, and environmental conservation. This is because economics is all about how to most efficiently use nature for our own wellfare. And to leave some resources to our children is not considered of much value in real life. Besides, our life is not so dependent on natural resources that any effort to conserve may well cause greater consumption. For example, the gasoline and other resources involved in sending a box to California may well cause more harm to the world's oil reserve than the forrest reserve.

Anyway, we should leave these inherently phylosophical questions for the government, not arbitrarily by individuals with vastly different moral values.
re: A Call To All Bike Shopsohio
Mar 18, 2002 9:31 AM
I don't know if its an "inherently philosophical question" as to which provides the greatest economic benefit vs. the lowest environmental impact. That's what environmental engineers do for a living and I'm sure its possible to get hard numbers on the situation.

My suspicion however is that you're right and the resources involved in flattening, returning, and patching used boxes is probably greater than the pulp saved from going into a new box.

I would guess the best thing is to make sure that the shop is recycling all of its boxes. Pulp recycling as actually a pretty efficient process, and at the end of it's life cycle cellulose is pretty easily incinerated, thus providing a good source of of power in areas lucky enough to have a modern incinerator, or ground up as fertilizer/animal bedding. Reuse is difficult, but you'll have a hard time finding a shop that WON'T give a box to cyclist that asks for one, and they also come in handy for your kids' art classes...

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks for bringing up the topic. I always enjoy messages of this kind. Reminds me that some cyclists are thinking about things bigger than "carbon record cranks or regular record cranks?", or "I hate horses."
easy..make pile of carboard, put Lliduak on top, burn..fixed NMSpirito di Finocchio
Mar 18, 2002 9:44 AM
Dude, can't you figure it out that your unwelcome here....g-money
Mar 18, 2002 10:31 AM
re: A Call To All Bike ShopsBikeViking
Mar 18, 2002 12:12 PM
It's amazing that, if his post in the "who are you" section is true, he's a 16 year old punk-a$$.

It has been medically documented that the teenager brain is not completely developed until the age of 19. Therefore, our chameleonesque tree-hugger is not operating at full capacity.

BTW...the boxes...I would pack our teenage troglodyte in them and THEN recycle them
re: A Call To All Bike ShopsLliduak
Mar 18, 2002 2:01 PM
What are you talking about. I didn't respond to the who are you post. That doesn't have anything to do with bikes.
re: A Call To All Bike Shopsloop
Mar 19, 2002 11:45 AM
Eugene,

Perhaps you should do a bit of research about titanium production, specifically the byproducts produced. Go on...go do some internet research.

With any luck it should keep you busy for a year or five.