|Did I commit a cycling faux paux?||carbonlover|
Mar 17, 2002 7:48 PM
|First time poster, so bear with me. I'll tell my story then ask a question. This morning I was out for my 55 mile spin down PCH in Orange Co. I was stopped at a red light. When the light changed, a tri-guy went by me on a bike I had never seen before. It was a Trek with a frame that looked like a lightning bolt. I wanted to check the bike out, so I stayed about 20 feet back admiring the strange shape of the bike. The rider kept looking back at me as if wondering when I would drop, even though his 23-24 mph pace was well within my comfort zone. When we got to the next uphill, he began laboring a bit, so I glided up to him, figuring a little conversation might take his mind off the struggle. When I said "Good morning", he looked at me and without acknowledging me at all, he looked back forward and began peddling as if I had told him I was going to steal his bike. Since we were approaching my turn-around, I let him go and turned back toward home. My question is: Did I violate some rule in the unwritten book of cycling etiquette that says roadies should'nt talk to tri-guys on the road? I was very bewildered by his reaction to me.|
|He probably couldn't really talk right then. Not only was he||bill|
Mar 17, 2002 7:59 PM
|fighting gravity, but when you kind of mosied on up and flashed an easy smile with a hale "good morning" while he was sucking wind and seeing God, he was completely demoralized. I know that I've been a bit, shall we say, remote under similar circumstances. My O2 supply was otherwise occupied, and it was the best I could do to just look back. I meant no offense; it was just all I could manage.
You probably made him go faster than he wanted to go, but that's his fault, not yours. Or maybe he was doing a serious interval and focused, or something.
Or maybe he was just a jerk.
If you stayed twenty feet back, he's got nothing to complain about.
|He might have been mad that you didn't pull.||Elefantino|
Mar 17, 2002 8:05 PM
|Either that or, being a triathlete, he was taken by complete surprise when the road suddenly was no longer flat and, sensing that he was in immediate danger of being passed by a roadie, lost it.
That was a joke. Some of my best friends are triathletes. The real dumb ones. (OK, that was a joke, too. C'mon, can't we all get along?)
|gosh, that was funny. :) nm||weiwentg|
Mar 18, 2002 6:52 PM
|re: Did I commit a cycling faux paux?||vitusdude|
Mar 18, 2002 4:32 AM
|I think you hurt his feelings. And when you chatted him up when he was getting ready to hurl big chunks, you added insult to injury. But don't worry; its his problem not yours. You were just riding your bike.|
|you sure did!||Alexx|
Mar 18, 2002 4:56 AM
|I'm another one of those people, like you, that can climb hills without getting completely winded. Other members of my club can barely even continue breathing while I can still talk. They hate this. I'm 40, and especially guys in their 20's get really p!$$ed when I try to converse on uphills.
All that aside, the guy was probably a velo-poseur, and was ticked off that you could keep up with his $5000 pimp-bike with whatever it was you were riding. Triatheletes are rarely in it because of the bikes, and you beat him at a game he was trying to bwat everybody else at.
|you sure did!||MisJG|
Mar 18, 2002 6:21 AM
|"Triatheletes are rarely in it because of the bikes" |
What?! It seems to me that Triathles have been credited with many of the latest improvements in cycling technology because of their willingness to embrace new and different equipment and ideas. Do you really think Greg LeMond would have won the 1989 TdF (by 58 seconds!) without the "Triathlon Style" bars as aerobars were being called in those days? Let's not make generalizations about any particular group out there on the road. I'm a Triathlete and the bike leg may be my favourite. I used to race on a Schwinn LeTour and my favourite thing in the world to do was to blow past the guys on their $5000 Tri-specific bikes with disc wheels and everthing (proving, once again, it's not the bike, it's the engine).
I can almost guarantee that it was an ego thing. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was a Triathlete. You were another guy on the road who pushed him too hard and were there to smile when he blew up. He was probably pretty demoralized at that point. He was probably pushing pretty hard just to catch you in the first place. If it hadn't been for the stoplight, he may not have caught you (especially if you knew he was back there). He blew past you while you were standing still and couldn't believe that you were still back there (and gaining!) when he looked. You had (have) a better engine than he did, and he didn't like it. Some peoples egos are very sensitive. I prefer to be the passer and not the passee, but I have come to realize that I am not Lance Armstrong (not by a LONG shot) and there are/will be people out there who will and can beat me. I try to smile back when they pass me though. . .
|A cycling faux paux? -- not||DaveL|
Mar 18, 2002 6:16 AM
|He was just embassassed because he was caught tapped out. A slipping studliness factor, that's all. If he had any class at all he would have sucked it up and engaged you in some cycling repartee, thanking you for the interest in his bike. Being no-class, all he could do was suck wind. Be sure and speak to him again if the chance comes up. At least he's trying.|
Mar 18, 2002 6:58 AM
|How did you know he was a triathlete?
|re: yes you did violate major rule||cyclopathic|
Mar 18, 2002 7:54 AM
|the rule # 45a from my cycling book says:
"..thou shalt not talk to one whilst one is climbing unless thou ridden with one and positively sure dude isn't running out of breath"
|Tis not the season yet for Tri-bikers?||SingleThreaded|
Mar 18, 2002 8:18 AM
|Actually caught up to a tri-guy this weekend riding his bike who was 15 miles into his ride and had 15 miles into a head wind to get home. He had been working out hard all winter, but it was only his third or fourth ride of this season -- been in the pool and running most of the winter. I, on the other hand have done little except cycling (50-90 per week), but not enough to prevent me from putting on 10 lbs of insulation from 235 to 245lb. |
Apparently this winter base mile stuff worked wonders for me, I felt like the Coast Guard letting this guy draft me all the way home. Unfortunately, with his aero bars he was reluctant to hang too close to my back wheel to get much effect so I repeatedly had to slow down to give him some wind blockage. I eventually had to let him go when I looked back at the top of a hill and saw him 3/4 mile back.
I would cut the tri-guys some slack, this is probably the worst time of year for their comparison against specializing cyclists. I'm sure he would have left my fat ass floating like a buoy in the pool.
Another thing, as much as his Quintana Roo looked aero cool, my classic looking Zurich felt like the real race car on that day.
|only by admiring his rig!!! nm||Troyboy|
Mar 18, 2002 8:24 AM
Mar 18, 2002 9:06 AM
|You might have distracted his mindset. If his bike had a lighting bolt on it's top tube it was probably a Klein Quantum Race with a "Mightnight Storm" custom paint job. Not a slam on Tri-Athlete's, but all the ones I have encountered on the road are focused on going from point A to point B as fast as they can. He was probably focused on doing something, or maybe just tired and too worn out to speak. I wouldn't give it much thought..I've met some really nice people while out on rides and some not so nice people...it takes all kinds...|
|Naw, just being a good influence.||Leisure|
Mar 18, 2002 10:38 AM
|Just another case of one cyclist getting caught taking things seriously and off-guard.
I generally do the same thing as you did when I have to pass someone; Just kind of be casual-social to take the focus off of the athletic comparison. I really go out of my way to erase any notion that there is some sort of unspoken competition going on. It's kind of silly to me that people think that way. We have enough attitude in cycling (mountain and road) driving away potential cyclists as it is, so I try to set a good example, be a mellow influence and all that. I believe that when you're the one that's passing, people tend to follow your lead. You set the tone, so to speak.
I don't take it personally if people don't warm initially to me either. A lot of riders are less experienced, aren't sure what to expect from other riders, are caught off-guard, or are too focused on what they're doing. It would be discouraging to be pounding away training for some competition only to get passed by the guy that's just cruisin' along. And then of course some riders really are jerk-offs. Hard to tell sometimes so I take the least-judgemental position and hope they follow the same example in the future.
I feel like the last few seasons riders have been more mellow and friendly, and I'd like to think some of that was me. But more likely, the jerkoffs have taken to hauling their bikes to the chairlifts. Oh well, as long as I'm enjoying myself.;-)
|Was that really a question?||DaThumb|
Mar 18, 2002 1:39 PM
|Or is it just an excuse to write about how easily you're able to catch and drop a "tri-guy" and fish for compliments?
Do you really expect someone to say "Yes, there is an unwritten rule that roadies shouldn't talk to tri-guys"?
How do you know he's a tri-guy? Did he have a jersey that said "I'm a tri-guy"? Did he have aero bars? Do you assume anybody with aero bars MUST be a tri-guy?
I'm just as bewildered as you are.
|Excellent reply. nm||scottfree|
Mar 18, 2002 1:51 PM