|Armstrong responds to Vasseur: "I didn't deserve this"||Elefantino|
Mar 17, 2002 2:01 PM
|Informative article. I never knew LA added his own $ into...||Tig|
Mar 17, 2002 3:11 PM
|...the team's winnings. I knew he didn't keep any of the TDF money for himself, like Mig and LeMond. That says it all. Vasseur obviously made up a bunch of crap.|
|Ah, the impetuous French!||guido|
Mar 17, 2002 6:17 PM
|Vasseur was justifiably pissed at not being able to wow the fans in his hometown, Dunkirk. After all, he was the homeboy who would be riding on the winning team. What a shame the team could not honor his city and let him ride the Tour. Would Vasseur be fit enough to finish it? If so, the team should have included him, respecting that the Super Bowl of bike races is a French national event. What would American fans think if a European team entered the Pro Championships in Philadelphia and kept their only American rider, who happened to be from Philadelphia, away on the continent, doing kermesses all season? It's one thing to win races, another to play to the fans, but without the fans, what's the point?|
Mar 17, 2002 9:45 PM
|If your not good enough... who cares where your from. Sure, he can be pissed, but if he's not the stronger rider then too damn bad... That's reality and life. Put the blame in his lap... perhaps he did not train as hard. I think he's being whiny... and playing the victim role. He needs to just get over it. When are the French going to realize that for now Lance is just a freak-a-zoid and that's that. They just can't let a US hick have the glory... It's just pathetic...|
|imagine if a french team won the superbowl 3 times...||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 17, 2002 10:42 PM
|remember that sport in its essence is just war without guns.
george orwell actually wrote the above but with 'football" instead of the word sport.
true words them.. look at the winter olympics.
which is a more proud nation the U.S. or France..thats a tough call
|actually he got dropped because he is French||cyclopathic|
Mar 18, 2002 10:31 AM
|guido is right.
Quite sure he got dropped not because of his ability to ride, only because he is french. LA is in all this "image building thing" he tries to project and enhance his US homeboy/TdF winner/cancer survivor image and least he needed is french wannabe.
Think what would happen if Vasseur was on USPS list? Positively french press would talk only about Vasseur, Vasseur would ride for himself and wouldn't be as committed to work for LA. THis would screw Lance and his US sponsors big time.
Even if LA wasn't the one to pull the plug (which I seriously doubt) he certainly welcomed decision. Nothing personal just business as usual. Let's face it you won't see any riders with drive to win on Lance team.
|I don't get all of this...||g-money|
Mar 18, 2002 10:44 AM
|Clearly, Lance is the rider that can get the job done. Shouldn't the team be built based on that and that alone? If a French football team could come and beat an American team three years in a row, while demoralizing, would be the way it is. I still don't believe the dude was excluded simply becuase he is French.
In terms of other riders on the team with the drive, it's because there isn't a rider (except maybe Hincapie) that is a real and viable contender at this time. Everyone knows Lance can, and most likely will, win the TDF. The team reflects that... and that only. IMO
|re: I don't get all of this...||cyclopathic|
Mar 18, 2002 11:44 AM
|Vasseur was dumped not because he is French but because him being french (both attitudewise and media coverage) created problems. Nothing to do with race readiness as LA and Co would like it to present.
with respect to Lance is the rider that can get the job done there're other riders in peloton who could do it given right attributes: dedicated team and commitment to one race only.
I am anxious to see '02 tour it will be much harder for LA to win it.
|re: Armstrong responds to Vasseur: "I didn't deserve this"||DaveL|
Mar 18, 2002 6:05 AM
|Vasseur is an absolute spare. Biting the hand that fed him; no wonder he didn't make the cut. His sense of entitlement is much better developed than his riding. He just didn't get his own way, so he'll throw a tantrum. He should put that kind of energy into his training. Maybe he can get his compatriots to write USPS out of the race with rule changes!|
|so according to LA he got bodyguards after Vasseur press conf??||cyclopathic|
Mar 18, 2002 8:09 AM
|something doesn't fit.. maybe he's got time machine, hmm|
|Texas Hick hijacking TDF...||guido|
Mar 18, 2002 11:19 PM
|Okay, that might be overstating the point, but not by much! Vasseur wowed the TDF fans by winning a stage and wearing the yellow jersey in 2000. Last year he did well in the Tour de Suisse. So he proved he had the right stuff. But he's 31 and has only a few years left to accomplish anything, to make his mark, to be a champion, and he's sidelined the year the race goes through his hometown.
Vasseur also seems to dislike Armstrong's philosophy of simply going after the TDF, and nothing else. How typically and crassly American! Go for the big one, ignore the rest of the racing season, because the money's in the Tour. Same if the French snottily just came to compete in the Super Bowl without paying their dues in any of the playoffs.
The French like to talk about how Eddy used to win everything, all season long, what Hinault says a true champion at least tries to do. LeMond and Armstrong, would not be champions. They would only ride the whole season for a three week peak in July. This is cold, calculating, materialistic, above all, lacking in passion, not the qualities of a true champion, who would champion the sport all season. This is the reason Vasseur and Armstrong apparently don't get along, and why Vasseur won't be helping him in the next TDF. It is unfortunate that Armstrong isn't more liked by the French fans, because if he is as passionate about riding as he says he is, he would show it more than just in the TDF, and the fans would love him.
|he might got himself trouble||cyclopathic|
Mar 19, 2002 6:02 AM
|out of all TdF board is political or rather politicized organization. If french hate Lance, they've got problem, they have to do something about to knock him off the saddle. And it doesn't really matter why he is being hated either because of being American (there're ~20% of muslims in France), being a hick (which is much bigger crime in France then in US) or just not flirting enough with french fans.
'02 tour is shorter (to the advantage of riders who race more then once a year) and hillier (there're better climbers then LA). One can see if LA looses tour this year, drug allegations will resurface again and typical Lance refusal to subdue to tighter drug control will put him quickly on Pantani's tracks, if Marco's absence from '01 teaches us anything.
Oh well we'll see how future unfolds