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What's the diff in ride between the Tuscany and Classic ...(6 posts)

What's the diff in ride between the Tuscany and Classic ...jmr986
Mar 17, 2002 12:43 PM
My LBS has the Tuscany, Siena and Classic all around the same price.I know there is around a $200 difference in the frames thought. The geometries are similar the components are identical, aside from the compact frame of the Siena they all look alike on paper. What's the difference in ride characteristics? thx
Here are links to thoughtful words by jtollesonPdxMark
Mar 17, 2002 1:29 PM
posted earlier on this Board and comparing the Tuscany & Classic - or search her name and Tuscany (or Classic)

http://forums.consumerreview.com/crforum?13@@.ef6b4c7/3

http://forums.consumerreview.com/crforum?13@@.ef67c33/4
Good questionNessism
Mar 17, 2002 7:11 PM
For that matter, you can include the Vortex in that question. According to Colorado Cyclist, both the Classic and Tuscany weigh the same while the Vortex is 2 oz. lighter. All three frames look to have similar tube diameters although I have not put a pair of calipers on them. The Vortex uses stronger Ti in the tubes so Litespeed can make the tubes thinner. But other than this, all three of these frames seem very similar.

Any experts out there care to set the record straight?
I own the Classic and the 2002 VortexLazywriter
Mar 17, 2002 7:22 PM
and I can say that the Vortex is definitely stiffer. I absolutely love the way my Classic rides, but the Vortex is more responsive when you jump on the pedals and I believe more than 2 ounces lighter. Plus it is just as comfortable. The Vortex has a shorter wheelbase and chainstays which make it quicker in handling.
The Tuscany is the best value of the bunch though. It is very similar to the Classic in road feel if not identical, but costs a little less and has more shaped tubing. The Classic has the traditional lines of course and can be gotten in the high polish finish which is what I have.
My Vortex is bright brushed like the Tuscany and I like the finish. It is a toss up between the Classic and Tuscany because they are very similar in ride feel, but the Vortex is noticably different due to stiffer, quicker ride but just as comfortable as the Classic.
One questionNessism
Mar 17, 2002 7:58 PM
Just wondering how the Vortex can be stiffer but ride just as comfortable? Usually when a frame is stiff, the ride suffers. Not trying to bust your chops, just wondering. Also, wondering if the Vortex has larger diameter tubing than the Classic/Tuscany? If so, this could explain why it is stiffer.

Ed
One questionLazywriter
Mar 17, 2002 10:06 PM
Hey
It is stiffer in the bottom bracket which is amongst the most important place to be stiff, obviously. The down tube and seat tube are ovalized where it meets the bottom bracket which is the main reason for the increase is stiffness in that area. That is why I say it is stiffer than the Classic, but overall road feel is just as comfortable in that the curved seat stays soften the back end a bit. The 6/4 is suppossed to be stiffer as well, but I think it is the tube shaping is what makes more of a differnce. Plus my Vortex has the 1 1/8 head tube which is stiffer than my Classic's 1 inch. These all contribute.
The tubing of my Vortex isn't larger in diameter on the downtube, but there is a lot more tube shaping. The top tube is larger as it almost bladed with about 10 sides.
Plus I am a larger rider so an increase in stiffness will not be as noticable as a 150lb person.
The Tuscany is a great buy. Even LS says that it is there best value in that is 90% of the Vortex ride and 1/2 the price. I would have gotten the Tuscany if I didnt already have the Classic and it has a lot of tube shaping for the money. I know I keep mentioning this, but it does matter and I heard that the Tuscany costs LS more to produce than the CLassic because of this but they charge less because the Tuscany originally had less tube manipulation, but has changed while they wanted to keep the Classic the same.