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Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumps(25 posts)

Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumpsIcefrk13
Mar 14, 2002 3:55 PM
Yes another poll of sorts. Which do you use? And if you do not mind, why did you choos that one.

BothLone Gunman
Mar 14, 2002 4:33 PM
Airstik and trigger release cartridge. Airstik gets the remount started to about 20lb or so of air and once I am satisfied the tire is seated properly, I finish the job with a CO2 to about 120psi as 12.5gr CO2 will not get to a high pressure in one shot.
Mar 14, 2002 5:20 PM
Carry a frame pump to get things started, then blow a 12 gram cartridge in the tube to finish the job. I usually carry two cartridges with me, and of course if that's not enough (god forbid) I always have the pump, on it's own, as a backup.

Ditto here too..DINOSAUR
Mar 17, 2002 9:42 AM
I carry a very small Torelli mini pump, which is practically useless, probably good for bare minimum to make it home, if that. I also pack 3 cannisters of 12g co2. I use the mini to seat the tire and inflat to around 40 pounds, then finish off with c02.

A small note about full length frame pumps: If you don't have a pump peg, they advise you rig one up using a zip-lock plastic tie. What they don't tell you is that it's near impossible to remove a zip-lock without marring your frame, and your paint will be a different color under the zip if you decide to remove it.

And mini pump plastic pump holders that attach to your water bottle cage need to be checked every so often. Constantly yanking your bottle in and out, especially in the summer if you freeze your bottle, can cause the pump holder to break after a period of time. I had one spit back and lodge in my rear wheel, pump and all, luckily I was going very slow at the time...

c02 is fast and easy to use...takes the hassle out of changing a flat..

Or~ if you ride with groups, you can just borrow your buddies frame pump...just hope that someone is behind you when you flatten...
full-size frame pump only...Had one CO2 pfft too manycory
Mar 14, 2002 4:39 PM
I have a lot of flats (Clydesdale in thorn country), and I've given up on everything but a full-size frame pump, a Zefal hpX. Minipumps suck if you have to use 'em a lot (300+ strokes to fill a 700x32?!).
Tried CO2 for awhile, but I use big tires and the cartridges would only fill them to about 75psi, so I had to finish the job with a pump anyway. Add the cost of cartridges and the need to carry a bunch of them or risk being caught without, and I just gave 'em up.
CO2, babyUncle Tim
Mar 14, 2002 7:20 PM
I have slowly made the changeover to CO2 over the past 6 months or so. Had a flat today- a blowout, actually - and I was back on the road in minutes.

I carry one loaded 16g cartridge and have 3 16g cartridges as backups. I guess that something could go wrong one day but, come to think of it, I had a day when my pump wouldn't function.

In an act of complete faith, I've taken all the frame/mini pumps off all my bikes. I feel very confident.

BTW, the 16g cartridges will get that pressure up there where it needs to be.
re: Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumpsbianchi boy
Mar 14, 2002 7:48 PM
I quit carrying a frame pump about a year ago. Now I just use a simple CO2 inflator and carry 3 cartridges. I buy the cartridges by the box at WalMart, so they cost next to nothing. Had a blowout last Saturday after cutting a sidewall on a rock, and was back on the road in 5 minutes, and only used one cartridge to refill. (Didn't want to much pressure in the tire with a cut sidewall.) I used a frame pump for years but they're a lot more trouble to use and I'd rather not carry one. Plus, I seldom get flats.
Regarding your blow out (cut sidewall)!Skinnybones
Mar 14, 2002 9:19 PM
I have had quite a few over the years. I now carry a small piece of canvas and a razor blade wrapped up in it to put between the tube and the tire wall. You can ride the rest of the day no problem with that. If you don't want to carry canvas, a powerbar wrapper works well too! Just cut and slide it in!!
Did the old dollar bill trick ...tarwheel
Mar 15, 2002 5:17 AM
A friend of mine, who is new to biking, was talking to me in my garage when I got around to swapping the tire out later. He was sure surprised when that dollar bill fell out of my wheel as I changed the tire. "Man! Look at that! You had a $10 bill in your tire!" We had a good laugh when I explained what it was for.
Yes. When buying the co2 pump, though, make sure it . . .morrison
Mar 15, 2002 8:12 AM
accepts 'threadless' cartridges. Those are a lot less expensive. I actually get mine at a gun store (they sell 'em extra cheap for bb guns.) Of course, you have to remember not to enter a gun store in bike clothing. The 'necks would probably shoot you.
NopeSpoke Wrench
Mar 15, 2002 8:41 AM
They'll just wonder where you could possibly be concealing it.
re: Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumpsfirstrax
Mar 14, 2002 8:12 PM
Co2. get a 12 gram unthreaded inflator and you can use paintball cartridges. $30.00 for a box of 60.
re: Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumpszeke
Mar 15, 2002 3:37 AM
i now use a barbieri co2 cartridge set. the injector is also a pump so you can get the tube up to 20lbs, then inject the rest from the co2. also i keep a schrader valve adaptor screwed onto one presta valve. if i need more pressure, i just wait until i see a gas station!
DependsSpoke Wrench
Mar 15, 2002 5:42 AM
I think that there's a couple of ways to think about flat tires. One is that you don't have a flat very often so it doesn't matter much. The other is that when you do have a flat, you're already aggrivated so faster and easier is better. I tend to fall into the second catagory.

For a guy like me, mini pumps suck. Say what you will about double action and all that, pumping up a road tire with one is a long, hard process. My Klein doesn't have a peg for a proper frame pump, like an HPX. That leaves me with CO2 which serves me fine. I blow up the tube with my mouth to give it shape before I mount the tire and finish it off with a 16gram threaded cartridge.

On my retro-grouch bike, I carry an HPX. Course, that bike has Specialized Armadillo tires that are virtually bullet-proof so I never have to use it.
re: Frame Pumps -vs- Co2 cartrige pumpsJS Haiku Shop
Mar 15, 2002 6:17 AM
co2. the only frame pump i found that worked worth the time required to fill a tire was the hpx, and i couldn't get it to fit (not length, but angle, and a proper place) the frame. i'm carrying the innovations second wind, which is a hand-mini-pump that can get the tube a little pressure (<50 psi) before blowing it full using the inflator feature. uses threaded or unthreaded, 12 or 16 g, and is small enough to fit in a mini seatpack, especially if disassembled.

as for co2 carts, i carry a large number on any given ride. better paranoid than sorry.
CO2$$$$$$$$$ Zefal Hpx is the only way I knowBarnyard
Mar 15, 2002 6:26 AM
Yet, sometimes I carry a smaller pump, though I pray I'll never have to use it. CO2 is for people who got money to through around. If your frame has a pump peg (which you should consider when buying or having a road frame built)the Zefal Hpx will pay for itself. I figure, people who buy co2 just did not have much luck with pumps or they're plain lazy. My .02 cents....
It's cool to have an opinion,Spoke Wrench
Mar 15, 2002 7:46 AM
but what do you gain by attacking the people who happen to have a different point of view? Ya know, there's a reason why they have both chocolate and vanilla.
...'caus vanilla sucks?Crankist
Mar 15, 2002 11:15 AM
(confirmed co2 user, just willy-nilly throwin' my $$$ around)
CO2$$$$$$$$$ Zefal Hpx is the only way I knowChen2
Mar 15, 2002 9:43 AM
Well, ok. I've used CO2 only (on the road), since early 1998, 7500 miles, 3 cartridges at $3 = $9. So how much did you spend on the Zefal?
Just lazy here.djg
Mar 15, 2002 8:20 PM
You gotta problem with that? I mean, it's not like I'm going to do anything about it--because I'm lazy, for one thing--but enquiring minds want to know.
CO2 Threaded 16oz Innovations, OnlyChen2
Mar 15, 2002 7:06 AM
Those co2 cartriges are fine, for woman.....Barnyard
Mar 15, 2002 1:23 PM
Is that supposed to mean something....?Lone Gunman
Mar 15, 2002 6:51 PM
Come on D head, don't leave us hangin' for the punch line.
I think co2 cartidges are self indulgent...........Barnyard
Mar 16, 2002 3:56 PM
I've never known or seen a cyclist that uses them. My neighbor, a cyclist, told me that a neighbor in the past had co2 cartidges. We both agreed that that kid just talked the trash big time. Again, co2 are a bit indulgent. No matter how much you spend on a pump, it still won't cost nearly as much as co2 cartidges. Or as my friend JR would say, "people with co2 cartidges are gear queer".
Those co2 cartriges are fine, for woman.....bic
Mar 15, 2002 8:26 PM
and a better reason not to carry them???