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French "investigation" a farce(16 posts)

French "investigation" a farceCRM
Mar 14, 2002 10:48 AM
This from the Associated Press recently:

French official: no evidence of doping by Armstrong's team
Associated Press Writer
March 8, 2002

PARIS (AP) -- A drug investigation of Lance Armstrong's cycling team so far has yielded no results suggesting the squad used banned substances during the 2000 Tour de France.

``The inquiry will end soon,'' Francois Franchi, an assistant to the Paris prosecutor handling the case, told The Associated Press on Friday. ``We have found nothing so far.''

Franchi did not say when he expected the inquiry into the U.S. Postal Service team to finish. The investigation began in November 2000.

Armstrong has won the Tour de France the last three years. He repeatedly has denied taking banned substances and has never failed a drug test. In France, he has been dogged by suspicions of doping.

``We have no certainty about the use of a doping substance,'' Franchi said. ``We do not know whether something was taken. All the tests are negative.''

Armstrong and nine teammates were summoned to appear last month before investigators seeking information. The Texan told investigators he would not show.

The French investigation was triggered by an anonymous letter saying a crew from France-3 television had detected suspicious behavior by U.S. Postal officials during the tour.

Is anybody besides me completely disgusted by this entire "investigation?" The whole thing smacks of a witch hunt. The investigation was triggered by an anonymous letter citing "suspicious behavior" witnessed by a television news crew? You couldn't even get a search warrant in the U.S. based on that kind of reliable information, let alone launch a two-year investigation. And why did the French prosecutor say that they "do not know if something was taken" when they admit all the tests were negative? Why couldn't he just say there is no evidence of doping?

This brand of "justice" drives me crazy. I believe Lance when he says he does not use banned substances and I'll be devastated if it ever is proven that he did, but until then these French witch hunts have got to stop!
this is France..cyclopathic
Mar 14, 2002 11:01 AM
only in US woman can be raped in front of 46 people (happened in NYC) and none of them will go to prison. In France all of them would be prosecuted and jailed. In US you need a search warrant in France local police can search your house if they suspect something. Different country different laws.
Mar 14, 2002 12:21 PM
And don't forget the high level of integrity of French figure skating judges.

Or any responsibility in princess Di's death. Not that booze wasn't the biggest factor, but unsafe roads and allowing the press to hound them had something to do with it.

I figure any day now they'll be starting the investigation for the 2001 TdF just to stir the pot for the 2002 event.

The thing that the French don't understand is that their air of superiority pisses off the rest of the world. They're just as f'ed up as the rest of the world - if not more.

Different laws are one thing, but the uneven application and the witch hunt is something else. Notice they've changed the course to "Lance Proof" the TdF?
hey this is their game..cyclopathic
Mar 15, 2002 8:30 AM
and if you don't like it watch tour DuPont.


PS speaking of judges and olympics this what Germans think of it
hey this is their game..grzy
Mar 15, 2002 3:08 PM
Ah, but the hypocrasy of it all. They don't seem to mind to much if their guy is winning.

The German thing is from the Olympics - not the TdF.
Mar 15, 2002 3:48 PM
French figure skating judges are from TdF? hmm

agree it is all hypocrasy but would we object when our guy is winning in our playground?
It ain't just the Frenchpmf1
Mar 14, 2002 12:41 PM
Remember Ken Starr? Spent $38 million and all he ever accomplished is catching the President getting a blow job from an intern. And even that was dumb luck.
Not so.Troyboy
Mar 14, 2002 12:52 PM
He caught the then President lying under oath. The then President breaking one of the most important laws and fundamental pillars of our entire society. Should everyone do what the then President did, we'd have no law, no responsibility, no nothing. The then President also used the airwaves to look us all deeply in our eyes and lie directly and disgustingly to us. This is a move that most people would react to by giving a full bore @asskicking to the lier if done in person. That is if you have any self respect whatsoever. Furthermore, the special prosecutor was just doing the job we the people and the government have charged him to. Politicians absolutely need to be *checked upon* as we have been taught all throughout history. Government is inefficient, bureaucratic, wastefull, etc., thus the extent of the bill.

Perhaps having attended law school has deepened my respect for many of the fundamental pillars of our entire civilization, however, it should be just as strong in any citizen of this wonderful place called the United States.
Mar 14, 2002 3:42 PM
He was just doing his job? So your saying we got good value for our $38M? Good thing the special prosecuter wasn't politcally motivated and really got to the bottom of things. If it weren't for an illegal wire tap and trapping Monica he would've had nothing.

Aren't you using a wide brush when talking about the pillars of our entire civilization? Don't other countries have different laws and fundamental assumptions? You're a republican, right?
Oh Please ...pmf1
Mar 15, 2002 5:17 AM
The fundimental pillars of our society. Gimme a break. That whole thing was an embarrassing out of hand witch hunt. And tell me that any philandering husband wouldn't have done the same thing. Starr caught him up to no good, but it wasn't illegal. And its not like this stuff doesn't go on all the time.

The real crime here was that someone blew $38 million of our tax dollars on this.
Not so.Galibier
Mar 15, 2002 5:31 AM
You attended law school and have thus concluded that confessing to sexual peccadillos is a fundamental pillar of our entire civilization? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
Mar 15, 2002 5:11 PM
Sure Clinton lied under oath, but to a lame personal question that should never been permitted to be asked. We the people have good reason for being upset with Starr and his bunch for their witchhunt. The government should not be in the create-a-criminal business. Nor should it waste taxpayer money probing into someone's sex life. Leave that job to the National Enquirer and the Globe magazines.
It ain't just the Frenchharry hall
Mar 16, 2002 10:14 AM
Hey, I heard that the French cycling federation had hired Starr. It was said that he was combing the Austin, Texas landfill looking for stained blue bike jersies.
re: Still Cant Deal with the Fact..jrm
Mar 14, 2002 3:38 PM
That they lost. i guess we'll know more when they make their team 'selections"
re: Les francais.guido
Mar 14, 2002 8:27 PM
Remember Inspector Javert in Les Miserables by Victor Hugo? He was the cop who went after a widower who stole a loaf of bread for his son while they were looking for work. After the guy got married, started a family and a career, Javert finally caught up with him and destroyed all he had accomplished in the name of law and order.

That recalls our own Inspector Javert, Kenneth Starr, the man from Houston motivated by moral outrage induced by sexual guilt. Of course if Clinton were a real man, he would have told the truth right away, but lying about a consensual sexual relationship is a forgiveable sin, even if it is said to Inspector Javert, er Starr. The sex life of the president is none of The Peoples' business. Starr entrapped Clinton into lying and then prosecuted him for it. That's why the large majority of the American public were on Clinton's side during this period.

The French are very similar to the Americans in their belief in the rule of law. Those French investigators obsessed with this American stealing la gloire de la France are probably alot like a certain element of our wrestling or football fans, the ones who delight in exposing the latest misbehavior of the Dallas Cowboys, for example. One must keep the sport pure--for the children! That requires constant cleansing, routing out the little cheaters, and anybody who's riding well? Why? They must be on something.

One can't be intolerant of the French drug police, any more than the neighborhood speed trap, and must take them as part of the territory when riding the Tour de France. One need not be humiliated by their suspicions. It is a small insult to swallow compared to the fame and considerable monetary rewards of competing in the Super Bowl of bike racing.
Mar 15, 2002 3:11 PM could be just that the French suck at bike racing right now! ;-)