|Looking for Feedback on Anvil Frames||joeg26er|
Mar 14, 2002 9:57 AM
|Those Anvil frames/bikes look very promising for the price.
Has anyone ridden the FOCO frame?
How do they feel?
Would FOCO be suitable for a 130 lb cyclist?
Although light, I am reasonably powerful - in race form I can sprint to 40mph+
What does a 52cm built with Ultegra weigh?
|all i know is that a worser name for a bike would be tough NM||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 14, 2002 10:16 AM
|CrackTube Frame Co. "2003 Gravity Grave Pro exp" (defunct)nm||128|
Mar 14, 2002 10:21 AM
|Ya' gotta' quit being so literal||Anvil|
Mar 14, 2002 4:02 PM
|Ask any blacksmith what his most important and valuable tools are and he'll tell you it's his anvil. The anvil is the tool that lets the blacksmith work his craft. A good anvil is not just some chunk of metal to wail away on. A good anvil works with the smithy to make his work easier, it's liveliness sets up a rythym and the hammer will jump back from it, reducing the smith's effort while at the same time providing a solid foundation to make the most out of his energy. A good anvil would last a smith his whole life.
A bicycle has the same purpose, it is the tool which a cyclist works upon. Anvil frames and tooling are named for that special quality and the synergy between a craftsman and his tools. They're built to hammer on. :)
BTW, I'd encourage anyone who is even slightly interested to cast about your area for a traditional blacksmith and watch him work his trade.
|Insightful, thought-provoking answer but...||Crankist|
Mar 14, 2002 4:12 PM
|...they're still HEAVY AS HELL!!!
|but you might sell more if you named it...||ET|
Mar 14, 2002 8:18 PM
|Anvilo, Anvilino, you know, something more Italian. And after all, you're a Don. :-)|
|you selling bikes or the lost art of blacksmithing?||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 14, 2002 9:13 PM
|ask anyone to picture an anvil - their first response will be an image of something rudimentary and heavy. not a precisely honed set of light bike tubes that at once feels responsive and surefooted ready enought to bring new pleasure to the sport of cycling.
i have seen the art of a blacksmith and it is something to appreciate but notwithstanding that fact i really still do feel that the choice of name for your frames is unfortunate at best (to polite).
your last name would have been fine - we dont need another mysterious conjured procured frame name - a person behind a product is more of a marketing tool in these days of throwaway branding and nameless name recognition.
i hope one day im wrong and that anvil means hot frames to all those inclined. until then ill always laugh when i hear it - "i ride an anvil with dura-ace and lews"
|names are overrated in their importance for sales||Starliner|
Mar 14, 2002 10:51 PM
|Your points are interesting to consider, but I don't think dumping Anvil for another name would bring about a sales increase for the bike. I, for one, don't mind the name.... for me, the font and design of the logo on the downtube as well as how the rest of the frame is dressed are important factors in like/dislike of a bike. In the end, reputation and marketing skill are probably more important factors that would determine image and affect sales.
While we're on the subject of names, here's a few images that come to my mind with some of the names out there...
Litespeed.... diet uppers
IF..... idiots forever
Scattante...... wild animal droppings
Merlin..... the old magician
Calfee.... I'll take mine black
Co-Motion.... now that's a funky name
|What's in a name?||Anvil|
Mar 14, 2002 11:58 PM
|I could easily put my name along the downtube, it's even a nice play on words for a steel bike. But having my name on the bikes seems too pretentious and doesn't work for me. I like "Anvil" and while it can certainly conjure up something rudimentary and heavy in the minds of some, my customers seem to be able to differentiate the meaning of the word when used for bicycles. I'd like to think that those folks who ride a bike with the builders name on the downtube don't think they're really riding the builder. When you're hammering on the bike, you're not really hitting it with a hammer are you?
Words have different meanings when used for different things. Look at it this way, Spirto, a simple search will show that "Finocchio" is Italian slang for gay or that "Finocchio's" is the name of a famous drag club in SF? Maybe your "name" is an intentional play on words on your part or maybe it's just circumstance or maybe we don't need another mysterious conjured procured forum name... Whatever.
I'll make you a deal. When you think "Anvil", you try to not to picture something rudimentary and industrial and when I think "Spirito di Finocchio" I'll try not to picture a drag queen. If you can't do it, well, we'll both laugh together. Deal?
Mar 15, 2002 4:23 AM
|man... he got you. |
drag queens have a lot of fun. it's not that bad..
|"Anvil" is great name IMO||Nessism|
Mar 15, 2002 7:04 AM
|Agree with the pretentious nature of putting ones name on the downtube. Never could bring myself to do this on my homebuilt frames - not that I'm not proud of them mind you.
Funny thing though, when I see someone elses name on a frame, it seems fine. It's just that I don't want MY name on one.
|hee hee... someone finally got the joke.....||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 15, 2002 9:13 AM
|it was my play on the traditional or autocued reverence cyclists can have for things of italian origins. i like a world with a little irony and joviality. its something i always thought was really funny (i hope not to offend with my choice of humor) - the italian word for fennel also is connotation or slang for homosexual. go figure.
its actually a joke about myself as well as apart from a vitus, an old mercier and a kenevans (australian - built by Ken Evans) all the bikes i have owned for the past 19 years and the two that i currently own are italian. ill stop at nothing when it comes to parody - even myself.
and in my neighbourhood when i step outside for a ride in the lurid and lycra clad getups that i like i am sure that i perplex half the men hanging on the stoops as they are assuming that that the attractive woman i am also seen to be holding hands with on oft occasion must be my sister.
good to see that someone didn't really think my handle was was about being in the "spirit of fennel" but i hope it isnt a let down for some of you to know its inference isnt accurate either and that my choice in partner and pesuasion is a woman. and that same woman was directly responsible for the choice of my handle as during the last tour de france she was somewhat perplexed as to why i would suddenly turn to a zombie when the oln broadcasts were on. it was with more than a chuckle when to my "defenses" about why i needed to watch this event daily and with religious fervour she noted, with a little taunt but not in total irony, her view that all sport was homo-erotic in nature. and fair call to her it did somewhat ring true as if you stood back watching yourself transfixed be men in their quests to prove their athleticism and supremity of their bodies in a male enveironment... it is what it is. i guess with no surprise the greeks invented the olympics.
so when it came time to explain why i would spend an hour behind the computer "on some bike forum" i would claim that it was time for me to be my alter-ego 'spirito di finnochio".
i guess my bad for being matter of fact about my thought on the name "anvil". to be fair whilst i have not even seen let alone ridden one i have been privy to a noticeable amount of good comment and favorable impressions expressed from people who have ridden them - so much so that subconciously i do have an association of a nicely made, no bull$hit, top class steel frame when i see the mention of the name "anvil". i should have mentioned this in my earlier post to be fair. so i guess i debunk my own theory.
in fact as a fan of steel i actually have admiration and praise for anyone building with it and pioneering characteristics of the material that were always known but fashionably passed up forgotten. and the fact that you guys do it well and for reasonable coin is to be commended.
i still however dont see the use of a builders or founders name along the downtube as pretentious or conceited. i have always liked the matter of factness and simplicity and i dont consider it egoccentric or a case of chestbeating. i also think that making anything is an expression of yourself (philosophies, ideals, characteristics etc etc) and whats importanmt to you, not just an investment or a money spinner. for some an association has come around due to the hype (which my forum handle is having a play at) that some have when you mention colnago, deRosa, masi et al. the name is not always a guarantee as it in my view once was.
so we differ in opinion - no big deal.
names ...names....names.... i guess were quibbling over semantics. a lot of what i post here is for a little chuckle and not always to be taken seriously. i guess im better left expressing it in person as its easily detected. i do agree that the function of a frame is infinitely more important than a name and that is whats most important. and also its yours and if you felt good about it then thats whats
Mar 15, 2002 11:03 AM
|I'm not sure exactly what's bothering you about using your own name on your bike. Everyone else does and there's nothing wrong with that. And not just bikes (Hewlitt-Packard comes to mind). It's better to name it after yourself when you're a small company (it might be pretentious to make the change only after you become big) and there's nothing wrong about it. But if you're going to go out of your way to pick another name, well...Anvil? OTOH, if your name were Anvil, well, that would be different. :-)|
Mar 15, 2002 12:01 PM
|Anvil Bikeworks, Inc. is the name of the company and I build more than bikes, I also build tools for other builders. The name came from my love for blacksmithing, which I unfortunately have no time for anymore. By saying having my name on the frame seems too pretentious, it does, to me. If my last name was "Strong" or "Steelman" I'd have no problem using that on the downtube, both being good bike names without sounding like a person's name, but some others just seem like too much. As far as everyone else doing it, well, to me that's an even better reason for me not to follow suit. I chose "Anvil" because I understand the meaning behind it and that is what is important to me. Each one is only built by me, there is no "framebuilder" apprentice or helper or welder for the bike frames, just me and that's the way it will stay. Quite simply, my bikes are not intended to be marketed to the masses so I care little about "mass market" appeal.|
|Anvil, IMO, is a great name for a light, strong, product. And it||128|
Mar 15, 2002 1:43 PM
|'s cooly ironic, and subtly self depricating, which suits my 'Rimbaudian' sensibilites.
Like my law school mate with MS and crutches and the sports jacket embroidered with his nickname "Speedstick"...what a trooper.
|Iron Horse, Barracuda saddle (owiee!)||Crankist|
Mar 14, 2002 4:07 PM
|re: Looking for Feedback on Anvil Frames||koala|
Mar 14, 2002 10:29 AM
|I have a foco made by tom teesdale and foco works for my 167 lb. body. I had a colnago master before and this and the foco is as stiff in the bottom bracket and the ride is much better. As far as Anvil many on this board have great things to say and Don has personally participated in this board.|
Mar 14, 2002 10:38 AM
|if you can pull of a 40+ sprint, on a flat road, with no tail wind,at 130 lbs, move to europe and let a team give you a bike! you may want to check the calibration of your computer, too!|
Mar 14, 2002 10:41 AM
|I would post this question at www.cyclingforum.com. They are a regular love-fest over there for Anvil frames, apparently for good reason. I briefly considered one myself, but needed something quicker -- although his turnaround time is not bad for a custom shop. Don "Anvil" is a really nice guy and will answer your questions in detail if you send him an email. He occasionally posts here when discussions about frames pop up. From what I've heard, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a frame from him and his prices are extremely competitive. Unfortunately, his web site does not contain a lot of details or pictures of his road frames, which is unfortunate because I think he could sell a lot more frames that way.|
|post this on www.cyclingforum.com (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Mar 14, 2002 10:54 AM
|Led Anvil..err..Zeppelin pulled it off . Why not Anvil??||128|
Mar 15, 2002 6:19 AM
|someone was heard to remark of that quaint British quartet:"those guys are going to go down like a lead balloon" maybe so, but they made quite a dent along the way....
Actually my first impression was of Wiley getting pummeled by an Acme Anvil. Company logo??
|more name associations ...||tarwheel|
Mar 15, 2002 7:27 AM
|TREK -- hiking boots |
LOOK -- diet soft drink
Gios -- pita sandwich
Spirito de Finnochio -- reincarnation of Pinnochio
Pinarello -- Italian pasta brand
Orbea -- funky drink with little beads floating around in it
Merckx -- Dr. Seuss character
Steelman -- half-brother of Anvil
Specialized -- computer circuit boards
Giant --bikes for really big people
KHS -- multinational congolmerate
Campagnolo -- how do you pronounce that?
Shimano -- fishing reels
|re: Looking for Feedback on Anvil Frames||Skip|
Mar 15, 2002 12:14 PM
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