Mar 13, 2002 8:06 PM
|I have owned an 853 Zurich for 5 years, and would like to upgrade to the new titanium frame. Any one out there able to inform me as to the stiffness of the new frame? Is it as stiff as my old steel bike, or more flexy. It will be used for racing, mostly road, but some crits also. I know the ti will be as comfortable as my steel, but I am worried about flex climbing, sprinting, etc. Thanks|
|re: titanium lemond||Elefantino|
Mar 13, 2002 8:47 PM
|From LeMond's site:
Reynolds Titanium. Made right here in the U.S., where we have complete control over every aspect of every bike. We start with Reynolds 3/2.5 Ti tubes in optimum gauges, and shape them to maximize the material. We use 3/2.5 titanium because it is workable enough that we can mechanically butt the tubes to minimize the weight and tune the response you feel from the road. This is the lightest, stiffest LeMond platform, flawless in performance yet elegant in its quality of ride. For more information on LeMond Titanium, click here.
|re: titanium lemond||colker|
Mar 14, 2002 5:15 AM
|how's recovery elefantino?|
Mar 14, 2002 6:11 AM
|Had CT scan yesterday. Now awaiting results to see if surgery is ordered.
Thanks for asking.
|is price no object?||ET|
Mar 14, 2002 7:03 AM
|The Lemond titaniums are very expensive, almost arrogantly so. At least they were last year (I think that's why just about no one got it). So if you really want ti, it may be worth looking into other models. Also, before you go dumping your Zurich, the 2001 Zurich was used by I believe Team Mercury in races with success while they were waiting for their Lemond titaniums to arrive. So the Zurich ain't all that bad either, and if your current ride is falling apart, a new Zurich may be worth considering. If course, if you're bored with your current ride and need something new, rarer and overpriced to wow your friends with, then getting a Lemond Ti makes perfect sense.|
|is price no object?||harry hall|
Mar 14, 2002 7:12 AM
|And, regardless of the price, any product of teh Trek Empire can go through a year or two of bad stuff--why not just buy a Litespeed or Serotta ti frame and get something from a company that's done their learning already?|
Mar 14, 2002 7:41 AM
|I almost bought one, and found that it was stiff enough for me -- i.e., it climbed well. I don't have too much experience with a variety of bikes, rather riding one for years before moving on, so it is in comparison to a Reynolds 531 frame that was about 20 years old and an assortment of other bikes I test rode last fall. I love the way Lemond lays out the geometry, and sometimes regret that a low-priced used Merlin with high-end components came along. I did not find the price to be out of line with respect to other complete Ti bikes, but then I was dealing with my LBS where I've spent quite a bit of money over the years and they were discounting the list price substantially. I also like the Hampsten Ti frame, which has similar geometry, and is made by Moots to Andy Hampsten's specs.|
|re: titanium lemond||dugo|
Mar 14, 2002 10:26 AM
|Thanks for the input, my Zurich is getting a little funky, I sweat profusely and apparently very corrosively, as I go through two rear brake cables a year, and have some rusty spots on my frame. Yeah, I do clean it, but must miss spots from time to time. I had an aluminum bike that my sweat just destroyed in spots. I thought ti was a little more tougher material that I would not ruin. |
And no, I do not have money to burn, that is why I am being careful (cheap?) looking for a new ride. I did find a frame/fork for a good price and just wanted some more info on how the frame handles. Thanks
|re: titanium lemond||Icefrk13|
Mar 14, 2002 11:32 AM
|If corrosion is a factor why not look at the CF frames?|
|re: titanium lemond||EdfromNC|
Mar 17, 2002 12:34 PM
|Dugo, I'm also looking in to the Lemond Ti, but I don't think it is as expensive as what some of the other posters to your message have made it out to be (relatively speaking). I have my new bike narrowed down to the Merckx Majestic or the Lemond. Geometry is about the only difference I can find. As far as cost, both frames are in the $1,300 range. Did you buy it yet? Did you take the stock rims, the Race Lite's?|
|Test Ride.||Len J|
Mar 14, 2002 1:58 PM
|It really is the only way for you to really tell. Find a shop with multiple ti rides in your size. Pump up a set of wheels properly. Use your own pedals & shoes & use the same wheels on each bike. Set the seat height proper & ride about 5-10 miles including some steep hills & some descents. Ride several bikes in a row & Buy the bike that speaks to you. I guarantee that you will notice differences.
It really can be this simple. Remember At the price you will pay for a Ti Lemond, any bike you get is a pretty good bike. Find the one that fits & speaks to you.
|The imaginary LBS||jtolleson|
Mar 14, 2002 3:43 PM
|This bike shop with multiple ti bikes already built up in our size... where pray tell is this LBS?
I know of very few shops with lots of pre-built ti bikes in different sizes sitting on the sales floor. Most ti bikes are sold "frame only" with purchaser to select the entire build kit. Lightspeed, Serotta, Seven, Moots, Colnago, Yeti, Merckx, Dean, Merlin ... I've seen very few sitting fully built awaiting the magical test ride. A few floor models, a few pro deals, but that's it.
This is the classic problem with shopping ti, I think.
Ironically, the Lemond IS the one ti bike I've seen built out and sitting on the bike shop floor along with other production bikes from Lemond.
"Go for a test ride" is always good advice, but calling it a "simple" answer here doesn't comport to any LBS I've ever seen, and I've been in some really big ones.
|Alan's Bikes, Wilmington DE||Len J|
Mar 14, 2002 4:27 PM
|Lightspeed, Lemond, Serotta, Colnago.
The lucky part for me is he rides the same size frame I do, So I got to ride his. I also happened to catch it at the right time where he had a couple of consignment bikes, the Lemond, and a legend Ti.
Your point is well taken though. I have set up test rides at multiple shops in sequence, not quite as good as all from the same shop, but it does work.
|re: titanium lemond the ride.||lemond2001|
Mar 14, 2002 9:21 PM
|Let me help you out. I have been ridding Lemonds for years. I have had two Zurich 853 and know what you are talking about. I have ridden the Ti Lemond and yes the bottom bracket is stiffer. You will like it much more than the older 853. The headset is also bigger and with the internal headset bearings the bike feels more stable and not so flexable as the old one. I weigh 215 to 230 pds. The older 853 would flex at the bottom bracket but not the new one as much. For the ride quality the Ti gives back a better snap than the steel. As for the price go for the Zurich 853 pro. (I have ridden this too.) It rides very close to the Ti but is half the price. You can buy two 853 pros for the one Ti. They are both better than the older 853.|| |