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Motobecane new advertiser for this site?(14 posts)

Motobecane new advertiser for this site?spookyload
Mar 12, 2002 9:05 PM
I posted a response to the Motobecane thread below stating "Motobecane" seems to be popping up a bunch here. I even stated that MBK is a name brand for Motobecane and thought it looked promising. I must have gone too far by calling these posts spam because gregg deleted it. So much for my first admendment right. I guess that only applies to the press. The reply I submitted had no vulgarity or flaming, it even complimented MBK and Motobecane, so what gives Gregg.
Which once again begs the question:scottfree
Mar 13, 2002 5:04 AM
Why in the WORLD does Motobecane churn up so much irrational emotion on this board?
Why the furor? I think they are spamming the forum. nmsprockets2
Mar 13, 2002 7:33 AM
nm
Spam's in the eye of the beholder.scottfree
Mar 13, 2002 8:00 AM
Motobecane is mentioned far less often than Gary Hobbes at gvh.com. No one complains about 'gvh spam.'

Gary has a great operation, by the way. No criticism of him implied. I'm just saying it's only spam if you don't approve of it.
well saidweiwentg
Mar 13, 2002 9:40 AM
Motorbecane and Airborne posts are considered spam. GVH bikes are not. why?
I hear you, but this is different-there have been....sprockets2
Mar 13, 2002 2:45 PM
in the past repeated posts of exactly the same structure and tone, praising in excessive detail the Motobecane offerings. I suspect it is literally spam, someone who is going to benefit financially from their exploitation of this board.

Having ridden one of the damn things, take it from me, if you were in the market for a bike, you would appreciate being warned off of the thing.
Oh there's been real MB spam all rightscottfree
Mar 13, 2002 3:49 PM
One excessively gushing post in Hot Deals was from das99, who I suspect very strongly was David A Sander, owner/operator of Bikesdirect.com, using his own initials! (In a post several months ago touting the upcoming Primal bike line, das99 slipped and said "We're thinking about carrying them," and then wouldn't answer a question about where his shop was). All those gushy posts you mention sound just like das99, and they're hilarious in their amatuerish ham-handedness.

But there are also some regular 'citizens' out there who've bought Motobecanes, like pat in california, who are real satisfied with their bikes and clearly aren't spammers. They tend to get caught in the crossfire too.

Hey, at least you've ridden a Motobecane, and have some basis for hating them. Most of the folks hopping mad about them are just mad, and I really don't know why.
I may be stOOpid but here goesgrandemamou
Mar 13, 2002 6:38 AM
The only thing that bothers me is that they are trading on the name of a storied maker. As long as the customer knows exactly what they are getting there is no problem with this. It's a mass produced frame with a famous name stuck on it. Again there is nothing wrong with that. Several big name mfr's farm out low end frames, no big deal.

Customers just need to know that their frame is not being handmade by a little old frenchman chain smoking Gaulois. Motobecane had a long rich tradition of making superb frames. The new company has absolutely nothing to do with the old. MBK as ridden by Cofidis frames are made by Cyfac and are not the same animal.

If you like it buy it and ride it you'll get no grief from me.
I see what you're saying, but there's a slightscottfree
Mar 13, 2002 7:56 AM
misapprehension here. Morobecane was never a small boutique operation turning out a limited number of finely made, hand-built bikes. It was a major, mass-production manufacturer, the largest in France, the French Trek of its day. It sold tons of low-end bikes (along with some high end ones). The 'new' Motobecane is not all that different from the old one. The original Motobecane never produced bikes handmade by a little old frenchman chain smoking Gaulois either.

As a matter of fact, toward the end, the 'old' Motobecane turned out some pretty crappy low-end bikes, which hastened its downfall.

Motobecane was most famously a manufacturer of Mopeds, by the way.

I've never owned a Motobecane, do not plan to own one, cannot recommend or un-recommend the new incarnation. Could be a nice bike, could be a POS. The point is, I don't know and neither do the bashers, for the most part.
I never meantgrandemamou
Mar 13, 2002 1:59 PM
to imply that they did not produce a wide range of bikes. I would say they were more like Bianchi producing everything from low end bikes to fine "hand" made frames. Motobecane's Grand Record and Le Champion frames were a match for any of their contemporaries.

"Motobecane was most famously a manufacturer of Mopeds, by the way." So, Mercedes makes delivery vans that doesn't mean they can't make fine automobiles. I do agree that in the end they did produce alot of junk.

I was right. I was stOOpid for replying to this. The only reason I opened my trap at all is that people have posted questions about the make and have gotten responses to the effect of "Oh yeah I owned a Grand Jubilee years ago it was a great frame" or "Doesn't Cofidis ride Motobecanes" false on both accounts.
mbk and motobecanemerckx56
Mar 13, 2002 7:07 PM
motobecane is owned by mbk industies, a french conglomerate.
they use the motobecane name in the u.s. because it has brand recognition with americans. the bikes they sell here are all produced in the far east and shipped to north america. none, and i mean zero, of them are either produced, or spend so much as a day on the continent. they don't even post an address for motobecane on their site. (www.motobecane.com)
the bikes for the euro market are labeled as mbk and are completely different than those offered for american consumption. go to the website (www.mbk.fr) and surf around a bit. it may take you a moment to find the bicycles page, it did me! as i looked at the euro stuff, i thought it looked really cool and would probably sell here. an ultrafoco bike with daytona 10 for @$2500? a decent deal...
it makes one wonder if motobecane falls under the umbrella of mbk as a subsidiary, but is run as a completely separate company...
mbk and moto may be owned by the same corporation, but they ain't the same company!
Motobecane -- you have all missed the pointpat in cal
Mar 14, 2002 2:03 AM
Motobecane is just a name - same as Trek, Specialized, GT, and any other. They are company marketing bikes where much more than 50% of the value in the bike is made by someone else {same as ALL other bike companies}. The frame in everyone's bike cost less to make than the components (no matter what company charges for it). In addition; almost every company farms out some frame making (mainly to taiwan). Many even bring the frames here and paint them and put "made in USA" decals on them ~ does not bother me but some people dont want to believe it.
The point is that this year Motobecane is trying to buy market share by underpricing bikes. Seems like a normal business stratgy to me - but who knows ~ HOWEVER it is clear their bikes are priced below market even though they are the same quality and come from the same place. (my guess is in 1 or 2 years they will increase their price too). But for the meantime, they seem to be getting the attention that they wanted from selling below market.
Eventhough I got the more entry bike; I have started checking the upper stuff. The Team has FULL DuraAce including HUBS which other companies 'cheat' on. At retail the parts are worth the $1750 they charge for the entire bike AND the bike has a sub 3 lb aluminum frame with a lifetime warranty plus Carbon fork. THIS HAS GOT TO BE A COMPANY DECISION TO GET ATTENTION USING PRICING AS ADVERTISING. Why would it be so hard for bicyclists to understand that some companies promote thru ads, some thru racing, and some thru great pricing?
SpeculationUncle Tim
Mar 14, 2002 8:50 AM
All right. I get the point. You bought a Motobecane and you are intent on telling us what a great deal you got. Maybe someone out there is impressed.

All you offer is speculation. Who knows what kind of frame/bike the new generation of Motobecanois are kicking out? You say they are kicking out bikes of "same quality" and at a financial loss. Same quality as what? Huffy? That means nothing to me.

I doubt very seriously that they are selling this fine quality product at a loss. After all, if the product is of such fine quality, the last thing they would have to do is sell them at a loss.

We do not have to accept the premise that this company, whoever they are, has made a decision to sell their bikes at a loss. A more reasonable explanation of evidence would be that this outfit is cutting corners somewhere, and cutting them in a big way. Maybe they are producing junk?

Time will answer that question.
Speculationgrzy
Mar 14, 2002 10:08 AM
Hey, maybe they're using the business model whereby you sell each one at a loss, but make it up in volume? ;-)

MBK is pretty much an overt ploy to pull on the nostolgic heart strings from years ago and influence a semi-informed purchasing decision. If it's just a name why don't they use something like "Ford" (besides the obvious trademark issues)? They want to confuse the buyer. Just b/c "everything" is made in Asia doesn't mean that everything is equal. One trip to Asia and you'll understand.

I'm a firm believer in what you pay for is what you get. While they may actually go for a short term loss to get established this is not a sustainable model to sell quality bikes and recent bankruptcies in the bike biz (ala Schwinn/GT) should reinforce this concept.

Both my wife and I still have our Motobecane Grand Jubiles from circa 1980.