|Is Coppi Any Good?||joeg26er|
Mar 12, 2002 7:49 PM
|I have been looking around for a superlight steel ride and found this frameset by Coppi.
I have not seen or heard of anyone who has ridden this.
Is it any good?
Is it made by Italians? Are all Italian bicycles good?
Mar 13, 2002 1:31 AM
|I have an al Coppi. It's excellent - can't fault it, and certianly as good as other Italian frames costing an awful lot more. I have not ridden a steel version, but would have no reason to doubt that they would be as good or better, as they have been making them for longer. I'd say go for it.
It is Italian.
I have no idea.
Hope that helps.
|Some additional Coppi information...||Pedal Jockey|
Mar 13, 2002 6:09 AM
|Here is the distributors website with information on Coppi frames:
This shows the geometry and all of the models available.
Coppi frames somewhat burst on to the European racing scene when Gianni Bugno's team rode them in the mid 90's. The team's bikes originally had a bland all-white paint scheme, but that quickly changed and evolved to what I think is one of the best paint schemes available. I do not know how the frames ride, but I have seen a few in Colorado, and I suspect their owners like the bikes.
|You keep asking the same question, almost trolling...||Lone Gunman|
Mar 13, 2002 6:28 AM
|you just re-phrase the general question about "which Italian bikes are good or are all Italian frames good, etc. The posters have spoon fed you alot of great information about reputable Italian steel frames. Give it up already. No one is taking the bait. Only you can make that choice with your wallet, and even then as the esteemed JT suggests, you won't publicly announce your displeasure if you make a bad selection and spend too much money to make that bad choice. My question is, do you think you will know the difference between a good Italian and a bad Italian?|
|just buy a motobecane or mongoose!||merckx56|
Mar 13, 2002 6:44 AM
|they make motobecanes and mongeese (?) to keep morons like you of off great frames like coppi produces. stop asking inane questions and generally trolling for responses.|
Mar 13, 2002 5:57 PM
|After I took the time to provide him with a list of Italian bikes that I thought were excellent quality and reasonably priced he gets pissed because he wants to know about bad Italian bikes. WTF would you want to know about bad frames. So you can buy one.
He then asks whether or not he can return a bike if it weighs more than claimed weight. I can't believe that some one could actully be this stupid and have 3400 bucks to spend on a bike. TROLL
Mar 13, 2002 7:45 PM
|I would like to know the various characteristics of these different tubesets and frames that have been suggested.
What about vertical compliance? Dampening of road shock?
Power response? Which frame makers have what kind of geometry philosophy?
Please let us have some kind of rational and helpful discourse on this subject.
I believe that some cannot comprehend what I am saying and asking and thus fall upon paranoid delusions as comfort to their overly simplistic thought processes.
I do appreciate the sincere help that others have offered on this board and hope the rest will succumb to natural selection or mature in their attitudes.
That being said, I was asking if there were any bad italian frames as part of my curiosity.
We all know that there are poor quality frame makers that are from all parts of the world like Huffy and Murray - etc.
I was wondering out of curiousity if there were such a thing as a poor quality italian frame. Many are quick to contend that the majority of frames from Asia are of "poor quality" to put it politely.
I keep asking about the steel Coppi frame because I am intrigued about a steel frame that is so light. I want to know more about it. I have not gotten any satisfactory answers - Instead I get this:
>>>Posted by: muncher Mar-13-02, 01:31 AM
I have an al Coppi. It's excellent - can't fault it, and certianly as good as other Italian frames costing an awful lot more. I have not ridden a steel version, but would have no reason to doubt that they would be as good or better, as they have been making them for longer. I'd say go for it.
It is Italian.
I have no idea.
Hope that helps.
So, I ask about a steel Coppi and I get "I have an AL Coppi...It is Italian...I have no idea."
Muncher says "they have been making them for longer.." and uses that as justification that the frames must be better/good/great.
That is not sound logic.
For example, Ford has been making cars for longer than just about anyone - does that automatically make all Fords great cars? NO.
In the same vein, some people claim that "handmade is better" - well, certain high-end automobiles are "handmade" - and they are in mechanics hands more often than drivers hands. But that is a whole other "can of worms" to put it simply.
I ask if Coppi is any good and I get answers about the paint scheme. ?
So, Please, if anyone has some actual riding feedback of an ultralight steel frame I would be VERY interested to hear their thoughts in detail. Perhaps compare and contrast it with a Titanium frame.
This subject intrigues me and I would like to learn more about it so that I may make an informed decision about purchasing one.
I would also like to make a request for civility.
If you are not commenting directly about the subject being posted, please try to restrain yourself - perhaps take a "time out" or some more ritalin?
Mar 14, 2002 1:23 AM
|you know how to win friends and influence people
undoubtedly you will now get the information you need from everyone who's been holding out on you
|Here's a better answer then...||muncher|
Mar 14, 2002 3:03 AM
|Why don't you go and pollute some other forum with your whinging drivel, you pompus impolite, offensive ahole.
Is that better - it's right on the point at least...
|HAHAHAHAHAHA - nm||MJ|
Mar 14, 2002 3:07 AM
Mar 14, 2002 5:11 AM
|I apologize if I offended some by pointing out the obvious.
I also thank those that offered good information and help.
It is also obvious that no one seems to know about the steel Coppi frame.
I would like to know more about the Anvil frame - seems reasonably priced and a pretty good paint job too.
Has anyone ridden an Anvil FOCO frame?
Mar 14, 2002 5:47 AM
|that's likely to get you just what you need to know - after all other posters won't be scared off at all by you laying into people who are answering - no they'll see that what you said was indeed 'obvious' and will agree that replies which don't fit your needs should be ridiculed, chastised and patronised
maybe you should start another thread - with another handle - on another board
maybe the answer is that:
1. nobody has the information you want
2. nobody is gonna give you the information you want even if they do have it
I want, I want, I want, I want, I want
Mar 14, 2002 6:22 AM
|But just before you do, I 'phoned Coppi for you. They said:-
"It's totally true that our Al frames are great and our steel ones are hunks of turd. This is because we deliberately screw up the geometry, design and manufacture of the steel ones in a way we don't with the Al ones. Basically, we use all the info we have from supplying bikes for professional racing, and take the good bits out of the steel bikes. Plus, they are manufactured, under license to a local drinks can manufacturer, in a totally seperate plant in Papua New Guinea. We ensure that we have absolutely no input into quality control whatsoever, before we ship them in and sell them under our own name. However, we are assured that each frame has at least 76 seperate manufacturing defects, at least 3 of which are likey to lead to catastrophic failure on first ride. Needless to say, we lead the indrustry in providing poor back-up after sale, and meaningless warranties".
"do you know, all Italian bikes are excellent, with the exception of our steel ones, and some others that you can see in the TDF? However, I am not going to tell you which ones, in case you buy from them rather than us".
I'm sorry I didn't put that in my first post. Now go away and play with another toy nicely.
Mar 14, 2002 7:05 AM
|I'm bookmarking that!|
|you are the new Cool McCool ;-) NM||Spirito di Finocchio|
Mar 14, 2002 10:13 AM
|maybe you should ask for your money back - nm||MJ|
Mar 14, 2002 7:12 AM
|Now I feel slighted...||Lone Gunman|
Mar 14, 2002 7:02 AM
|You failed to answer my question. Will you know the difference between a good Italian and a bad Italian?|
|I'll give it a shot no pun intended||grandemamou|
Mar 14, 2002 12:41 PM
|Good Italian: Ernesto Colnago
Bad Italian: Mussolini