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Chamois Butt'r vs. Assos vs. Cafe chamois creams?(25 posts)

Chamois Butt'r vs. Assos vs. Cafe chamois creams?CarlT
Oct 26, 2001 6:57 AM
I often get a little rub on a rides of 50 or more miles. I am prone to saddle sores, and worry that an oil-based cream might tend to clog pores, causing saddle sores rather than just minor irritation. Anybody have experience with all 3, and recommend one over the others? Thanks!
re: Chamois Butt'r vs. Assos vs. Cafe chamois creams?morey
Oct 26, 2001 7:00 AM
I am using "Udder Butter", and I love it. Have used Chamois Butter, very good, but very expensive compared to Udder Butter (same).
re: Chamois Butt'r vs. Assos vs. Cafe chamois creams?morey
Oct 26, 2001 7:01 AM
You can find Udder Butter at any WalMart.
AssosBipedZed
Oct 26, 2001 7:09 AM
I've only tried Assos and apply it directly to the areas where I'm prone to saddle sores rather than on the chamois. It works very well and I haven't developed saddle sores since using the creme. In addition to the antibacterial agent it has menthol which gives a slight tingly sensation for a bit.

Since using it I have also avoided contracting cutaneous Anthrax on my crotch. Maybe it's a coincidence, but regardless someone should alert the media.
Assosmorey
Oct 26, 2001 7:16 AM
What about inhalation anthrax?
AssosSoftrider
Oct 26, 2001 11:44 AM
I think that the only time that inhalation anthrax would be a concern is if you had it in the crotch area and were sniffing that area!
Not True!!Lone Gunman
Oct 27, 2001 4:05 PM
You can get a cross contamination from sniffing bicycle seats.
since these threads keep coming up, let me askET
Oct 26, 2001 7:30 AM
Is there any relationship between those needing chamois cream and the lycra shorts they're wearing? Say, the way it fits, the pad, the seams, whatever. I have a very high-quality (but not super-expensive) pair of lycra from New Zealand (Cycling Plus gave it a 9) and I never get any chafing, never need any chamois cream. I've worn it in both hot and cooler temps. Wore it 20 times or so straight without washing it and only washed it because it was starting to get a slight odor. (Also did fine in a pair ordered from Scotland, but I ruined them in my crash several months ago) Maybe it's the shorts. Maybe even the saddle (mine is the Selle San Marco Era, considered too hard and slim by some, but for some strange reason it works fine whereas others don't). Maybe it's the type of skin one has, although I have gotten chafing when wearing non-lycra looser garb without bike underwear. Admittedly, my long rides are more like 40 miles (you guessed it, still married :-)), but I never feel even the slightest chafing, or even feel the feeling that chafing will soon come. Just wondering.
since these threads keep coming up, let me askmorey
Oct 26, 2001 7:33 AM
I never had any trouble either, however I tried it because everyone raved about it on this forum. I used it, I really liked it. Try it, you will like it too!
YOU WORE YOUR SHORTS 20 TIMES W/O WASHING?!!!!!bill
Oct 26, 2001 7:45 AM
I'm sorry, but I've just got to remark. Wow. Mine wouldn't just get up and walk around; they would pack up and run away from home to join the circus.
I was thinking the same thing!cioccman
Oct 26, 2001 7:48 AM
Whoa nelly. Wash after every ride here.
I was thinking the same thing!morey
Oct 26, 2001 8:43 AM
I was thinking the same thing, but I figured I would not say anything. I wash mine after every ride!
like I said, if they're high quality...ET
Oct 26, 2001 10:34 AM
Honestly, not much smell till then, no chafing, no bacteria, not even any anthrax. It dries out quickly after a ride and then is good to go again. Of course, I don't ride evey day; after all, I'm married. To Nige, who was wondering how I could stay married wearing it so many times without washing, well, if my goal is to do those longer rides... :-)
saddle or saddle position?Js Haiku Shop
Oct 26, 2001 7:50 AM
I was concerned about the shorts, too. was using last year's (or the prior year's) nashbar "elite" shorts with real chamois pad. tried a&d, bag balm, baby powder, and nothing. anything over 60-70 caused sores. recently bought a couple pairs of voler shorts with the baseball-cut synthetic pad and i'm still having the same problem. not surface abrasions, but under the skin saddle sores. this started in winter when my trainer miles upped a bit, but went away, and recurred when i started doing longer weekend training rides (longer training for me = 60 to 80 miles saturday morning).

next switch: saddles. currently using '99 specialized body geometry comp on both road bikes and the mtb.
me tooCarlT
Oct 26, 2001 9:30 AM
I rode the BG Comp till a few months ago, and had the same problem. Switched to a Terry Fly and it has improved. Not gone, but better.
I own a BrooksRusty McNasty
Oct 26, 2001 9:43 AM
do 200 miles/ week, and never get sores. Used to when I road a Vetta, but none since I switched.
what width was the vetta, and to which brooks did you switch? nmJs Haiku Shop
Oct 26, 2001 9:45 AM
since these threads keep coming up, let me askfishwheel
Oct 26, 2001 9:54 AM
I've never had any problems with chafing or saddle sores since I switched to cycling shorts. I have a couple pairs of cheap shorts that I wear and have never had trouble with those. I did tend to chaffe when I wore loose shorts with cotton underwear. My guess is that the cause is a combination of factors. Skin type, riding style, and environmental conditions.
ride length mattersDog
Oct 26, 2001 10:11 AM
I don't use it under 50 miles, either, and have not had a problem.

The wear and tear is cumulative on longer rides, though, particularly if you get sweaty and are hammering up hills. Your shorts tend to move around some, then.

When not using it on rides over 150 miles, though, I've gotten horrific boils and chafing, so bad I couldn't sit for days without pain. The longer the ride, the more it's necessary.

Doug
Do you go 20 days without showering, too?tarwheel
Oct 26, 2001 7:13 PM
Guess who gets to ride at the end of the paceline?
Tale of two saddlesBirddog
Oct 26, 2001 9:10 PM
I recently finished building up my new main ride and equipped it with what I thought was the same saddle (Selle Italia Flite Ti Gel). The new saddle has some enhanced embroidery and they have repositioned the gel areas. Since every time I ride on the new bike,I get a mild saddle sore, and since every time I ride the old bike I don't; I have to believe that it is the embroidery causing my irritation. In years past, I usually got one mild saddle sore/irritation per year. I have to believe that the new saddle is the cause.
Chamois Butt'rDog
Oct 26, 2001 7:37 AM
I can't compare, as I've only used Chamois Butt'r, but using plenty of it, I had almost no chafing whatsoever for 508 miles continuously, changing shorts once. What more can I say?

Doug
I use Cafe brand (Branford Bike), and it's super.nigel
Oct 26, 2001 10:20 AM
For the record (or dura-ace), I use only Pearl Izumi Microsensor bibs (their top-of-the-line pairs) with the PRT chamois. As supremely comfortable as these bibs are for me and as well as they fit personally, I tend to shift around a little bit on the pad, causing not saddle sores or chafing but slight discomfort and my having to readjust myself somewhat frequently.

Since using Cafe Chamois Creme (branfordbike.com), which I started when I began riding this year, it's been a joy! The function of the creme is to form a bond between the rider's skin and the chamois--unlike what vaseline and petroleum jellies do (they cause one to slide around--BAD!). I've been comfortable on my 100-milers, and haven't chafed once or gotten one single saddle sore. The creme keeps the pad in place nicely, kills some extra bacteria, smells nice (very light scent), and softens the chamois a bit more.

Well worth the (not-so-expensive) price for comfort and hygeine.

ET: I'm shocked that anyone would stay married to someone who rides 20 times in the same shorts between washings; that's downright FOUL, man. No need to do this type of thing. Is washing a pair of shorts THAT difficult or time consuming for you? Man, that's just nasty and unhygenic. Best of luck...I guess.

Nige
Assos.look271
Oct 26, 2001 3:44 PM
Can't compare the others, just know that I like the Assos and it's $$ well-spent. In answer to the questions about whether or not "creme users" somehow must use inferior shorts/seats/asses, I can assure you that I have a good seat that fits me great (Selle Italia Pro-link), good shorts (Nalini,Biemme, Giordana), ands I've been told that my arse is ok, too. :-) Feels great on the tush.
Assos feels so nice.....STEELYeyed
Oct 27, 2001 5:37 PM
that sometimes I use it before long car trips to meetings,or anytime I feel like I might be getting the Fungus de'Bungus,it really is THE STUFF!,worth every penny.