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Upgrade 5 year old carbon fiber tubed bike or get new one?(5 posts)

Upgrade 5 year old carbon fiber tubed bike or get new one?Scy
Oct 25, 2001 10:28 PM
I got this Giant CFR-2 that's basically an aluminum lugged carbon fiber tubed bike with the 8-speed 105 gruppo. It has Campy Omega rims on 105 hubs. Although I bought it used last December for $300, I've already spent about that much on upgrades (Flite saddle, Easton EC70 fork, Speedplay pedals, etc.) I do three fast club rides a week, totalling 100 miles.

I plan on racing for the first time next season and want to upgrade some more (probably more of a psychological advantage than anything else). I'm thinking of the American Classic wheelset to lose some weight and get a little more aero. Also plan on changing the cassette from a 12-23 to a 13-23 in order to get the 16-tooth; I don't think upgrading to a 9-speed would make much of a difference. My problem is a lack of perspective/experience with respect to other bikes and wheels--I simply haven't ridden anything but my CFR-2.

So what do you guys think? Is my current frame worth upgrading, or should I just save the money for a modern ride (Trek 5200, Giant TCR-1, or Klein Quantum Comp perhaps)? Or maybe I should just leave the damn bike alone because neither a new ride or new wheels will make much of a difference anyway.

BTW, anyone know how much the CFR-2 frame weighs and if there are any known problems or longeivity issues associated with it?
I am in the same situationDutchy
Oct 25, 2001 10:41 PM
I ride a CFR1 96' with Ultegra. Great bike nice and fast, smooth ride, very durable.
But I don't race and have no intention of racing. If I was you I would buy a new bike that
was a bit lighter with 9spd Shim or even 10 spd Campy.
Racing will take a lot out of an older bike.
I have had NO problems at all with this frame after 5 years. Even though I don't race it still gets ridden hard.
As for me because I don't race I am content to just upgrade rims, stem, seatpost etc.
I thought about going 9spd but it seems a bit extreme for just one extra gear.

Good luck with the racing.

If it ain't broke . . .Kerry Irons
Oct 26, 2001 3:36 AM
You will notice little improvement from most of the upgrades you might consider, and there really is nothing wrong with this bike. Your performance in races at the entry level is nearly all about you and very little about the bike - given that you have a pretty nice bike already. Plus, your most cost effective way to upgrade is to buy a new bike and sell the old one. Even though you would probably only get $400 for your current bike (because of the upgrades you have added), you probably could not get any money for any components you might replace now. From a strictly economic standpoint, you could say you've already lost around $200 on your upgrades. So, for not much performance improvement, you would lose a bunch more money. IMO the best thing to do is save your cash for the day when you can pick up a new, higher performance bike (most $$) or a couple of year old high performance racing bike.
re: Upgrade 5 year old carbon fiber tubed bike or get new one?pmf1
Oct 26, 2001 4:05 AM
I'd keep it the way it is and save money for a new bike. There's nothing wrong with having two bikes. If you find yourself having to ride in a situation where a crash might occur, ride the beater. If it gets trashed, your losses are minimal. As far as wheels go -- they are transferable (so far anyway) to a new bike. You could buy a new wheel set and not feel too guilty about sinking money in an old bike. They might not be a huge performance enhancement, but they will be lighter and enjoyable toy-wise.
It's already a light frameMcAndrus
Oct 26, 2001 4:07 AM
I have a Giant CFR from, I believe, 1999. In comparison to a Trek 5200 I think you'll find the frame weight of the Giant may be heavier but just barely.

Somebody posted frame weights somewhere once - my memory isn't what it used to be but then it never really was - and the Giant CFR came in pretty close to a 5200.

I also gave it a personal, and unscientific, test this summer. A friend with a 5200 and I stripped down our bikes and just lifted them each a few times. We both thought they were equivalent weight.

If there's a point of comparative weakness of the Giant, I'd say it's in the aluminum lugs. It just makes sense that a bonded lug system would be weaker than a monocoque frame - if that's how Trek makes them. An aluminum lug frame must eventually weaken at the lugs.

However, I suspect such weakening would only be apparent if it takes abuse at a pro level for a season or two. I doubt you or I could put that kind of stress on it, even if we raced them hard.

By the way, I don't race but I do ride 2-3 times a week in fast group rides which, intentionally, simulate race conditions. I've ridden the CFR for one season now and it's holding up splendidly.

I've also considered racing and the only reservation I have is that my bike's equipped with Campy gear and wheels. In a race most of the neutral support gear is Shimano. So if you do race you should probably stay with the Shimano group.