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Me again, bare with me. Simoni and the TDF(12 posts)

Me again, bare with me. Simoni and the TDFLargo
Oct 25, 2001 2:12 PM
Gotta rant here.
Just checked the Velonews site, and read Simoni going on about how he can beat LA, and that he is a better climber.
Now, while not a huge LA fan, LA will be peaked for the TDF as usual, and Simoni doesn't stand a chance against Armstrong.
LA crushed him at the TDSuisse in the Uphill tt. Thats a pretty good test, imo.
Grantedn Simoni road the Giro, and LA did not, but bottom line is LA beat him like a mule.
Don't get me wrong, Simoni is a classy rider, and a huge talent, but he ain't no LA.
Anyway, i hope to be there and see the Col de Tourmalet(?) finish in person, and i will gladly take the abuse if i'm wrong.
Simoni may not make the TDFbikedodger
Oct 25, 2001 2:20 PM
Simomi's team for next year, Saeco, will have to be a wildcard selection as the 16 pre-selected teams do not include Saeco. As only one French team is pre-selected, the wildcard teams will be mostly, if not all, French teams.

Simoni may not make the TDFhinaults dog
Oct 25, 2001 2:42 PM
with both di luca and simoni joining saeco the team
should have enough uci points to ensure automatic
UCI points??GW Rider
Oct 26, 2001 4:59 AM
UCI points do not ensure automatic selection...just ask Mercury.

Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down.
UCI points??mr_spin
Oct 26, 2001 6:48 AM
Actually, they do. The top ten ranked teams (by UCI points)are guaranteed slots in ALL the grand tours. Because many of the top 10 teams will qualify in other ways (i.e., the team of last year's winner), it usually rolls down into the top 16 or so teams. Two of the top 16 teams are quitting this year (Festina and Liquigas), so it rolls down even further. Points matter a lot!

After they qualify 16 teams, then they pick wildcards. Mercury didn't have enough points to qualify last year, and then they weren't selected as a wildcard.
UCI points??Wayne
Oct 26, 2001 7:46 AM
I'm pretty sure the UCI rankings that matter are the end of this year not next year's when Tour selection time comes around (and newly contracted riders points are will be figured in). has already done this analysis taking into account teams that won't be around next year and teams that have "qualified" in more than one way. Consequently, only one French team, Cofidis makes it in automatically, and Saeco does not. With the French already bitching about the lack of French teams, I would recommend Simoni and Di Luca focusing on the Giro because in all probability they ain't going to be at the Tour anyway.
Oct 26, 2001 11:32 AM
You are correct that if you are not a french team it will be more difficult, but remember the UCI was not very happy with mr. leblanc last year and if they were to leave out a team with the reigning Giro winner on it (final selections are made b4 the giro) I think there would be problems. The fact that Di Luca is also helps Saeco.

Can you imagine if leblanc picked big mat over Saeco with Simoni?

Andy - Wannabe
I'll stay clothed if you don't mindmr_spin
Oct 25, 2001 2:21 PM
I like Simoni a lot, but he is delusional. No one could outclimb Lance this year. Lance actually backed off in Switzerland and still ended up winning the thing accidentally. But the reality is that Lance doesn't even have to beat Simoni in the mountains, because Simoni will lose several minutes in the time trials. Game over.

The main reason Lance stormed through the mountains this year was because he was 30 minutes down and really needed to put in a huge effort to make up time. I'm sure he would have rather ridden more defensively, but as it was, he only got the yellow jersey on the 4th of 5 mountain stages.

I don't think they'll let a 30 minute break go again, so they can stay out of this situation. That means Lance only has to stay close to Simoni, so he can knock him out in the time trials. Plus, Heras and Rubiera will hopefully be at full strength.
Oops, i get it. And i pride myself on my spelling.Largo
Oct 25, 2001 2:39 PM
re: Me again, bare with me. Simoni and the TDFElefantino
Oct 25, 2001 6:04 PM
I think it's great that Simoni thinks he can beat Lance. He did put his stamp on the Giro with a great TT, after all. So he has eaned the right, as a GT winner, to be a little boasty.

Do I think he can beat Lance? Nope. But I like his confidence.

I wish Ullrich, who is a farsuperior rider, was as cockily confident. But I fear his ego has been so bruised by his Lancing the last two years that he knows he can'tbeat Lance.

By the way, I am a big Lance fan ... but you've got to wonder about a guy who let a lard-*ss like me suck his wheel for .6 of a mile earlier this year. He may be overrated.
re: Me again, bare with me. Simoni and the TDFMikeC
Oct 26, 2001 7:14 AM
I've got a feeling that teams will be more important than in this year's race. With the mountains being pushed further toward the end of the race, I don't think that an individual rider will be able to dictate so much of the race. It certainly won't be over as early as it was the past two years.
Lance, Simoni, and UllrichJon
Oct 26, 2001 6:37 PM
Due to a spate of cooling(read Bad) weather here in the Great White North, I've had the opportunity
of warming up the rollers and watching all over again all the mountain stages in this year's
TdF. From what I see on the tapes, if Lance is peaked for the Tour, no one's going to touch
him, not Simoni, not Ullrich...not Batman! This Tour was not nearly as close as what the
clock measured. Lance was so much more relaxed than Ullrich on the climbs it wasn't even
funny. He toyed with everyone. Attacked when he wanted, rode tempo when he wanted.
Until the second viewing, I didn't realize his margin of superiority. Truly amazing.

BTW, Leipheimer's officially signed with Rabobank. Now there's an up and comer!!