|FOCO frames- Who has the Best Price?||joeg26er|
Mar 10, 2002 7:39 PM
|Very interested in a FOCO steel road bike.
Who sells /builds these at the best price?
Also, how about some links to more info on FOCO tubing.
|Not sure about best but...||Nessism|
Mar 10, 2002 7:57 PM
|Check out TET Cycles. His prices are fair for a custom - $900
|Oh, and some more info||Nessism|
Mar 10, 2002 8:11 PM
|Dedacciai Zero tubing is very similar to Foco. The butting configurations and tube thicknesses are almost identical for the base set of tubes. I think Foco comes with more options however if you go full custom. Dedacciai is changing their tube lineup and Zero is becomming SAT 14.5. I'm not sure about available options in SAT 14.5.
For some nice information about Columbus check out the following link to Ceeway.
Mar 11, 2002 4:40 AM
|I have a foco by Teesdale. I am very satisfied. The foco produces a stiff bottom bracket yet a compliant ride. Tom was great to work with and I got a custom last year for 799 and he sold me an ouzo pro for 260.|
|Foco tubes info||Tig|
Mar 11, 2002 6:44 AM
Mar 11, 2002 7:07 AM
|Landshark also offers foco as well as deda zero, or a blend of both. His link http://landsharkbicycles.com/prices.html|
Mar 11, 2002 7:59 AM
|Not just if Dean has the lowest prices, but they're extremely competitive: |
Mar 11, 2002 8:55 AM
|...Just received a Culebra (853 and Zona). Very nice indeed; rides great. Dean offers a terrific value and top-notch quality. Fact is, there's a host of terrific builders out there these days, including Dean, Teesdale, Strong, Steelman, Anvil, etc.... Also, don't discount the Cervelo Prodigy. It's a nice Foco/Zona mix at a terrific price point.|
Mar 11, 2002 8:48 AM
|look at www.fortframes.com
I have the zona and it's fantastic. I'm sure the FOCO is equally as nice.
|Weight Limits with these steel tubes?||DY|
Mar 11, 2002 3:12 PM
|Does anyone know the rider weight limits of the Foco and Ultra-Foco? I too bought a Zona frame becuase I was a little overweight....about 210. Now I'm down to 180. Is that still too heavy? I know that the Foco series uses very thin walled tubing. I was wondering what the rider max weight recommendations were. Thanks.|
|Weight Limits with these steel tubes?||AaronL|
Mar 11, 2002 4:39 PM
|I can tell you this. I weigh 170-175 in the winter and 165-170 in the off-season and I've been through 2 Bianchi Boron frames in the last two years. They use Dedacia tubing that is equal to Ultra FOCO and I just think that it's too thin for those that race or ride a lot and weigh more than 160.
Not to mention the fact that 1 or 2 pounds means NOTHING in the big picture.
Just my opinion.
|Two Pounds Can Be VERY Important...||joeg26er|
Mar 11, 2002 7:20 PM
|When you can't take off anymore weight off the body, you benefit only by taking weight off the bike. (Besides more training)
Also, the less you weigh the worse the body strength and body weight of rider to bicycle mass ratio is.
For instance: you weigh 170 and your bike weighs 18 pounds.
Your bike is 10.59% of your body weight.
I weigh 130-125 pounds - if my bike weighs 18 pounds, it is 14.4% of my body weight. I am at a 3.81% disadvantage if we are equal in body strength to body weight ratios.
In full race form (125 pounds, 5'7"), I can sprint to 40mph+ and bench 210 pounds.
Would I be OK on an Ultra FOCO frame?
I saw a Coppi frame and it was 2.81 pounds.
What about that Ritchey Nitanium frame?
Aaron, exactly what kind of damage did you do to the Bianchi Boron frames? Pictures would be very interesting to look at.
|Two Pounds Can Be VERY Important...||AaronL|
Mar 12, 2002 8:42 AM
|I think your theory is a bit flawed since bike to body weight ratio is not as important as your power output when compared to weight. IOW, smaller riders have a better power/weight ratio than bigger riders and bike weight has even less of an impact.
I can see from some of your other posts that you are overly concerned with weight so I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. I don't know if you race or not but in the real world of competitive cycling (which I have been a part of since the early 80's), the riders at the front of the race are those with the best fitness and savy, bike weight is pretty much irrelevant. When was the last time you talked to anyone that said "I would have won that race but this heavy 20 pound bike kept me off the podium"?
Obsession with light bikes is not new. But, the latest generation of frames and components are simply not designed to last very long. Since I have to buy my parts I buy those that give the best durability with reasonable weight. Replacing a frame every year because it cracks (which I have done over the last 5 years) gets to be a drag.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that some old Huffy is the same as a scandium frame. What I am saying is that once you are at a certain level of weight, say 21 pounds and below, the difference in weight will make no difference in real world riding situations. Legs and lungs my friend, that's what it's all about.
I don't have any pictures of my Bianchis, they cracked at the bb and the seatstay, respectively.
See you at the races