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if tullio was a roadie, was shimano-san a fisherman?(13 posts)

if tullio was a roadie, was shimano-san a fisherman?Spirito di Finocchio
Mar 10, 2002 3:23 PM
the following link (very funny indeed) should add enough heat in this forum to thaw out the last of the winter frost....

flame away
re: if tullio was a roadie, was shimano-san a fisherman?Jekyll
Mar 10, 2002 3:50 PM
Cute, if not completely accurate and somewhat dated....
flame, what flame? I thought it was brilliantPaulCL
Mar 10, 2002 4:10 PM
Of course, I use Record.
re: i keep trying to like campycollinsc
Mar 10, 2002 4:25 PM
I really really want to like campy. considering my other italian fetishes as well as my craving for pretty and expensive metal things, i should absolutely love campy.

I cant decide though, whats keeping me from it. I think it may have to do with all this kind of stupid crap that people constantly bicker over. I realize that the post and article are basically in jest (considering half the article is just plain wrong) but will someone please explain to me why campy people care so much about bashing shimano but shimano people couldnt care less about campy?
re: i keep trying to like campyBike Bum
Mar 10, 2002 4:35 PM
Good point, I really don't have an opinion on either Campy or Shimano. But your observation does hit the nail on the head....
re: i keep trying to like campygonzo77
Mar 10, 2002 4:39 PM
I work at a bike shop. I always tell people if you don't have the legs it doesn't matter what you use.
Sometimes, the truth hurts.guido
Mar 10, 2002 8:12 PM
Koichi Shimano is not the equal of Tullio Campagnolo, and the Japanese are not the romantics that the Italians are, as expressed in their bicycling cultures. To an Italian, the elegant solution is always simple, straightforward, maintainable, and inspiring! Those Japanese, on the other hand, would rather call attention to their genius by making their products hard to figure out, tricky. Just take apart an STI lever and you'll see what I mean. Shimano flashed the world with STI shifting, then Campy came along with ERGO, lighter, more aerodynamic, more speeds, simpler, intuitive, better adapted to the act of riding a bike.

Shimano makes great fishing rods and golf clubs. That pretty much says it all! Boo, ShimaNO!
Boo?I Love Shimano
Mar 10, 2002 8:57 PM
While you're booing Shima"NO", us Shimano users are out riding our bikes.

You admire your Campy, we ride our Shimano components to the death.

Cheers GUIDO!

Mar 11, 2002 6:17 AM
We ride Campy well past your death.
Mar 11, 2002 6:53 AM
I don't care too much for bashing one group or another, but I'll tell you why I chose campy record over shimano for two reasons:

1) fit - the ergo levers fit my hands much nicer and I like the way the brake lever doesn't pivot.

2) durability - my track bike is fitted with ancient nuovo record pista components. After some careful sleuthing I found out that my pista grouppo was made in 1962!!!! I don't know how many people have enjoyed (and won!) on this one grouppo, but its 15 years older than I am and still going strong. Just overhaul the hubs and headset once a season, and its back on track (ha ha ha). take a trip to the velodrome. you see plenty of old campy gear, but do you ever really see shimano gear that older than 5 years or so? not really.

Boo?I Love Shimano
Mar 11, 2002 5:43 PM
Good point on the durability issue. However, I Shimano hoods fit in my hand much better than the Ergopower stuff.

BTW, I don't think Shimano makes a track group. There's Record Pista (beautiful, beautiful group I say), but there ain't any Dura-Ace Track. None that I know of at least.
That Campy thumb button sure is intuituve, LOLbobobo
Mar 11, 2002 6:11 PM
Horrible ergonomics, awkward to shift on the hoods and even more awkward to shift in the drops. Campty is cheaper because it lasts longer??????? Does that include the cost of replacement parts?????? Better go check you math again on which grouppo is cheaper to maintain Record or Dura Ace. Hint, hint Record replacement cassette cost $160-250 depending on which one you buy, LOLOLOL.

By the way, the Campy design is not more intuitive than Shimanos, it's different because of those funny little tings known as PATENTS! You probably actually think the Campy tapered BB design is superior to Shimanos splined BB don't you??
Mar 11, 2002 7:19 PM
Reason you see more old campy stuff is because it costs so damn much they dont'wanna get rid of it....Seriously though, it's all the same. Shimano has won TDF last 3 years though.....go figure...