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Thermogenics...safe for short term use?(22 posts)

Thermogenics...safe for short term use?ColnagoFE
Mar 6, 2002 11:02 AM
Hey...I posted this on another forum but wanted to get this forum's input as well. Has anyone used one of these ECA stack-type products (ie Hydroxycut, Xenadrine) to lose some excess fat (about 20 lbs) a bit quicker than just exercise and diet alone? Do they work? I realize they contain ephedrine, aspirin, and other stuff that might not be the best for me, but would a month or two on this stuff be that harmful? I would use this in combination with normal exercise, weights, and a sensible diet.
re: Thermogenics...safe for short term use?jaybird
Mar 6, 2002 11:11 AM
I have tried diet fuel from Twinlab and I didn't really care for it. It did help shed a few pounds but it made me too jittery. I also don't drink much caffiene so maybe I was hypersensitive to it. I know people that swear by the stuff, but I just didn't like what it did to me.

I noticed as big of a difference when I added weights to my routine.
re: Thermogenics...safe for short term use?brider
Mar 6, 2002 11:19 AM
Well, for your long term health, you're going to want to do cycles of less than two months, more on the line of 4-6 weeks max. The adrenal receptors kind of fatigue after a short time, and you get a pretty bad rebound, as well as the headaches coming off the stuff. If you're wanting to accelerate the fat loss, I'd go with something like CLA (conjugated linoleic acid, 4 grams a day), or a thyroid suppurt supplement like Biotest's T2-pro (doesn't suppress natural thyroid function, and doesn't need to cycled).
eat right, get adequate excersize - - -liv2padl
Mar 6, 2002 11:23 AM
and forget the chemicals. weight loss is a state of mind not a state of body. you have to unlearn your poor eating habits and adopt a program of eating for health not for weight control. if you combine that with a program of regular exersize the weight will come off by itself. chemicals will kill you.
Amengrzy
Mar 6, 2002 11:55 AM
The trick is not to throw more crap in your body looking for the silver bullet. Upping the calories burned and reducing the intake is the key. If you ride long, and I mean for several to many hours at a stretch, you'll find that you can't eat that much, but you need to watch out for following days of binge eating. Do this by getting in several rides per week - a minimum of every other day and back to back days when you can. Even getting out at lunchtime is helpful.
Amen:no shortcuts to healthy habits=strong, lasting benefits nmtempeteKerouak
Mar 6, 2002 12:08 PM
Worked for me as a kick startBeing Jan Ulrich
Mar 6, 2002 11:48 AM
I've been using the EAS Beta-lean for the past month or so. I found that with my schedule and the weather I was not able to train as much as I liked. When my weight plateau'd, (which was still too high) I started taking the supplement. It has helped -- I was able to drop about 10 additional pounds. I'll stop using it when I can get outside and put in more of the LSD miles.
Took me 6 months to loose 30 pounds.tempeteKerouak
Mar 6, 2002 12:11 PM
But I made it.

That 30 pounds is overall weight, as I realise I have put on lots of muscle.

LSD miles, liters of water, more protein, less carbs, no junk

and the most effective of all: 05.% alcohol beer!

Now 170 pounds, two months ahead of schedule.
.05% beer!...now that's a REAL sacrifice! (nm)ColnagoFE
Mar 6, 2002 12:47 PM
pretty much my situationColnagoFE
Mar 6, 2002 12:46 PM
With 2 young kids and a full time job I just can't get out and ride for 3 hours whenever I feel like it. I get up at 5:15am and ride the trainer before work for an hour 5x a week, lift weights at lunch, and then teach Spinning 2x a week as well as ride the trainer at night a couple time a week (will ride outside as soon as the days get longer). Then a couple longer rides on the weekend if I'm lucky and that's about all I can handle. I've always had a problem with excess weight around my middle...nowhere else has hardly any fat on it. I already eat fairly healthy though I do have the occasional beer. i just want to get to the point where I can feel comfortable going around without my shirt this summer--nothing too radical.
Maybe this will help...tempeteKerouak
Mar 6, 2002 1:09 PM
Get a giant rubber ball and start working on it.

There are plenty of exercices that will be specific to abs.
Beer should not be the problem unless you have it on top of a meal, everyday... It made a difference to me, same with much much less bread and very little milk. That for me...
You are up to a point where you have to work a specific area. Nature made us that way... It's fat's last retreat and first hide-out. Deepest!
Maybe this will help...Harlett.
Mar 6, 2002 7:57 PM
"And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to King Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord." 2 Chronicles 19:2.

Many companies in the United States (and all over the world) promote sodomy by including "sexual orientation" in their non-discrimination policies (people should not be in a protected class simply because they engage in sodomy), offering "domestic partner" benefits packages, or sanctioning fag employee groups. Before you make a purchase at one of these companies, consider the fact that part of your money will be going to fund the promotion of sodomy. Of course, avoiding all of these companies would be impossible, for then "must ye needs go out of the world" (1 Corinthians 5:10). However, we should not "help the ungodly" when possible.

We can always count on the fags at the Human Rights Campaign to give us information on which companies support sodomy.
Come and gimme a kiss big mama!tempeteKerouak
Mar 7, 2002 8:45 AM
Look poor lost soul,

I am very proud of who I am and how I live my life.

My sexual orientation has nothing to do with this pride.

I only wish I was gay so I could kick you butt and everyone of your stupid gaybasher friends would know you got your ass kicked by a gay man.

Oh yeah!
now thats a GREAT routineRayBan
Mar 6, 2002 5:16 PM
I thought my almost daily routine of working out was good. I really aplaud ya for doing what ya do. Regardless of how hardcore I am I won't get up for an hour workout in the AM and add the other workouts to that. Rigt on FE!
pretty much my situation?
Mar 6, 2002 7:46 PM
I am not an expert nor do I play one on TV but for someone who works out as much as you do and still has a problem? Have you had a complete physical lately? What is your body fat, measured the best way possible? And done a few times. You give spin classes so you must have access to a gym. What help have they offered. Not trying to be smart or anything but maybe you just need to rethink your own opinion on your body type. And to answer your question about supplements that work. I have done a few and found only one. Adipo Kinetic. No longer allowed to be sold in the US. Guess why. The problem with any of them is when they do work, which is not all that often, when you stop or your body adjusts, you just go back to where you were.
WellColnagoFE
Mar 7, 2002 9:04 AM
Until I was in my late 20s I never had to worry about excess weight. Now 36 things are slowing down a bit and I have the proverbial spare tire--nothing too major but it bugs me. I don't really diet and probably eat way too many carbs. I definately don't just eat skinless chicken breast and broccoli. I also enjoy some beers on a fairly regular basis. I've had a recent physical and everyhing is good. I probably have 15-20% body fat right now. Measured by electric impedence and calipers. Would like to get to 10% or less. I'm definately not a body nazi and would be just satisfied to drop a couple inches from my waist--I could care less about having a six pack of abs.
the pros aren't the only ones dopingRayBan
Mar 6, 2002 1:31 PM
MAN there are so many products like this available over the counter and they're an unfair advantage in sport. Stuff like this is legal amphetamine. It's a shame its so available and marketed so well because I BET that it's common among racers down to the amateur level to have used stuff like this at one time or another. There are long term effects and a lot of the products tell you NOT to use the stuff for more than a few weeks at a time. I'm not saying every racer does stuff like this but I know some do.
You might want to try the abdominizer or ab energizer.Barnyard
Mar 6, 2002 7:59 PM
however I don't want to knock the power of suggestion (hypnosis). If you believe it may work, it just might. Good luck.
DON'T TOUCH THE STUFF!Slipstream
Mar 7, 2002 6:47 AM
I wouldn't touch the stuff no matter what anecdotal stories you get on its efficacy. We need more research on the subject. Check out the following:

Ephedrine . . . The Other Side of "Fat Burning."
http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/ephedrine.htm

"Today, my friend who is only 38 years old, is hooked up to life support following 3 massive strokes over the weekend. Tomorrow her family will make the arrangements to donate her organs. The following day her family and friends will go to her funeral. Why? After a battery of tests, the doctors have concluded that the strokes were caused because of her use of Xenadrine. The doctors also mentioned they have had three other deaths related to this product, the youngest casualty being 22 years old. Help us to understand. Where did she go wrong? How could this have been prevented?

How can we prevent this from happening again?"

Canadian supplement recall hits GNC
http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2002/01/21/story5.html

Supplements eyed in Northwestern player's death
http://tsn.sportingnews.com/cfootball/articles/20010811/335294.html

On this one, the medical examiner determined that asthma caused the death of Wheeler. We probably won't know for sure for years as it plays out in court.

Player's death is a sign that drugs must go
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/daily/issues/2001/10/10/sports/s-2rittenberg.shtml

"Whether or not he died from taking over-the-counter substances, Wheeler should never have had the chance to pull that jar off the shelf. Until decisive action is taken against these drugs and their manufacturers, more players will make the wrong choice and pay the ultimate price."
Well, it's nice to see that you can be manipulated by the media.brider
Mar 7, 2002 8:25 AM
This is the same kind of thing that gets the best trails closed to MTBs -- a few people spoil it for the rest of the responsible users. You know who's been kiled by the stuff? People who (a) already have medical reasons to NOT use it (i.e. high blood pressure, heart conditions, etc.), or (b) people who think that if a little is good, more is better. Canada is probably the first nation to jump on this sort of bandwagon. Just because a few people are irresponsible, does that mean every one should be punished? If you're not willing to do the research on this stuff and it's REAL effects, and how suitable your health situation is, then DON'T DO ANY SUPPLEMENTS! Of course, I won't even go into how many deaths are caused by acetominophen (Tylenol).
Its your choice; don't want to spoil your fun. Good Luck (NM)Slipstream
Mar 7, 2002 8:49 AM
Thanks for the articles and adviceColnagoFE
Mar 7, 2002 9:10 AM
I've had a recent physical and have no heart risk factors. I've taken ephidrine before with no adverse affects and am not that sensitive to caffeine. I think I'm gonna try one of these supplements for a month just to see if it makes a difference or not. I'll report back to y'all what my results are. Sounds like the way to use these are only to jumpstart fat loss and not to take them all the time. Long term use could be bad news for the adrenals.