|105 or Ultegra||Cherry1|
Mar 1, 2002 7:56 PM
|I am trying to figure out the pros and cons of each of these big units. 105 is real nice and I am not sure I can justify the big price increase to Ultegra.|
|re: 105 or Ultegra||weiwentg|
Mar 1, 2002 9:16 PM
|how much will you be racing? if the answer is 'a lot' you may wish to go for Ultegra: it's lighter and more durable. this year's Ultegra shifters have internals similar to the Dura Aces - i.e. they're a lot more durable. the 105s internals are the same as last year, and there have been durability issues with last year's 105 and Ultegra STI levers. aside from that, I'll admit the difference isn't that noticeable; for instance, 105 cranks weigh 20 grams more, and somewhere in that region for the BB and cassette. people have raced very successfully on 105.|
Mar 2, 2002 6:05 AM
|oh come ON!!! that was a valid question! nm||weiwentg|
Mar 2, 2002 6:43 AM
|You could afford Dura Ace if................||STEELYeyed|
Mar 2, 2002 8:44 AM
|you are a Lazyrider,or a BigLeadOutGuy.|
|re: 105 or Ultegra||DINOSAUR|
Mar 2, 2002 8:52 AM
|I've been using Ultegra on my '99 Klein Quantum Race, and besides from the rattling brake lever dust caps, which Shimano has corrected, this group has been bullet proof. I can't compare with 105, never have used it. The Ultegra is a good group for the money...|
|re: 105 or Ultegra||JimP|
Mar 2, 2002 10:58 AM
|I have used the Ultegra components and they were OK, but certainly not up to the DA. Many of my friends much prefer the 105 since they don't think the Ultegra is worth the extra cost. I feel the decision should be 105 vs DA. The 105 is a little heavier, but you probably couldn't feel it, and not finished quite as nicely. One question should be "How much of a price snob are you?" If you prefer riding, have some cost concerns, and don't care what the looks are, buy the 105. If you want the components to last as long as the frame, don't care about price, or are very concerned about what other riders think of your components, buy DA. Now, I know that some of the DA components do need replacement occasionally like the chain, cassette, etc. but they do last longer than other Shimano groups. Many of the hard core racers that I know buy 105s since they have several bikes and prefer a new bike or pair of wheels to the higher priced components. Happy riding...|
|ultegra for the price of 105 at....||bear|
Mar 2, 2002 3:00 PM
|look at supergo.com and you will see the ultegra comp at the same price as 105,,is really that simple!!|
Mar 2, 2002 4:06 PM
|Some of us think that the Ultegra offers much better performance and dependaiblity than Shimano 105's, while still offering significant weight savings.
Jim is right about Dura Ace. It is a great groupset, like the Campy record stuff, but they are expensive components. For example, a Dura Ace crankset costs about $100 more than an Ultegra one.
I've tested Shimano 105 components and Ultegra components over thousands of miles. There is no question that the Ultegra stuff is better. For instance, the Ultegra bottom bracket is inexpensive, light, virtually maintenance-free, and performs well. Some people use it with their DA cranks.
The Ultegra bb is much better than the 105 counterpart. I could go on.
I can understand that a person buying a good frame could have budget problems and settle for equipping it with a Shimano 105 group. No shame in that. Cycling is expensive and we all have budget issues.
But when it comes time to upgrade components, for the very small differences in price, the Ultegra offers a significant improvement in quality over the 105 stuff.
|well said. nm||weiwentg|
Mar 2, 2002 4:46 PM
Mar 3, 2002 12:08 AM
|so what your saying is... say i buy a completed bike.. and want to keep in under a thousand.. i could go for a bike with a kick ass frame.. 105/Tiagra mix? and upgrade to ultegra as stuff wears out? would such a thing be right?? or worthwhile as road bikes last a pretty good amount of time..|
|Actually, I would get the lower spec'd high qual frame...||tempeteKerouak|
Mar 3, 2002 6:45 AM
|Consider your riding though.
If you don't ride much, if you are starting, you get a good bike for your need and not too expensive. If you don't like biking, you will be selling a good quality frame, with used parts, not a good quality frame with used expensive parts... worth little in the overall transaction.
Then, if you start and really give it a serious try, you will put on serious mileage... The lower level parts will hold for the first season for sure. You will upgrade them according to the need and you will feel quite proud to have run to the ground the chain and gears and to have become such a speedy bullet. You will use D-A or Record chains just as well...
My opinion; get the best frame with best parts into the Bottom-bracket and cranks, fork, seat post. On the other hand; breaksets don't matter much, neither does the front derailleur. Wheels? if you get serious, you will get a nice second set anyways and will be happy to have a lower set to trash and bash in training.
|Frame vs. components||cyclaholic|
Mar 3, 2002 7:16 AM
|Marty, though I am inviting a flame war by saying this, by my definition, you will not be getting a "kick-ass frame" on a completed bike for under $1000. You may be able to find, again by my standard, a "good" frame on a complete bike for under $1000, but sacrifices will have to be made to keep the total cost low.
One of the things I've learned over the years is that lightweight bicycles are not gonna last "a pretty good amount of time" unless you do some serious maintenance. The components, no matter how good, can only take so much. If you put 5000 miles a year on one bike, you will learn this.
I've said this before but it is always best to work on as good a frame as you can afford. You can put the best engineered components on a POS frame and your returns will be limited. .
A 105/Tiagra mix will work for a while. The Tiagra BB, while very heavy, is high quality and will last a long time. Same for the shifters. But put 4000 miles on a Tiagra rear derailleur then remove it and make good examination. It just can't hold up like an Ultegra RD will.
If, over time, you have a good frame and eventually upgrade the components to Ultegra, I can absolutely assure you that you will have a good performing, light bike.